As if There Were No One Else

As if There Were No One Else

Date: 10/14/2018 
A new week brings new callers and more questions ! In this installment of Bible Answers Live, discover with Pastor Ross what the Bible says about who are the 144,000, homosexuality and the Sabbath. Open your Bible and tune in !
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Pastor Ross: Good evening friends. How about an amazing fact? Consider for a moment the ear of the bat, it is well-known that bats fly by sonar. They emit high-frequency sounds which the human ear cannot hear. The returning echo of these sounds, place sound print pictures in their minds. Using this technique a bat can catch a tiny fast-flying insect. The higher the pitch, the smaller the surface its echo can reveal. Some sounds are so high that the little bat can detect the presence of a wire no thicker than a human hair stretched across its flight path. Then there is the intensity of the sound, the louder it is, the more distant the object that can be detected.

These calls are generally very loud. But wait, if it is necessary for a back to make such a loud sound in order to have it echo back from a distant object, how can the bad possibly hear the echo with its ears in the midst of all of the racket it is making with its mouth? Well, this is a good question, for the ear of the bat is extremely sensitive. Just a few of these loud screams with quickly deafen it but God has taken care of the problem. There is a special muscle in the middle ear of the bat that is attached to one of three tiny bones, which transmit vibrations from the eardrum to the organ in the skull that convert them to nerve signals that are sent to the brain.

Just as each scream is on the verge of being emitted, this muscle instantly pulls back on one of these tiny bones so that it does not transmit sound from the outer ear to the inner ear. The eardrum is momentarily disconnected. Then after the scream ends that muscle relaxes and the bone moves back into place. Thus the only sound that the bat actually hears is its own echo. This back and forth motion of this little bone occurs more than 100 times a second and it always occurs in perfect alignment with the singing of the super short screams. Now friends, if God cares enough about the common bat to provide it with this remarkable ability to hear its own echo, how much more does He care for? You stay tuned for more as Amazing Facts bring you this edition of Bible Answers Live.

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Pastor Ross: Hello friends. Welcome back. This is Bible Answers Live. This is an international live Bible study, and I'd like to welcome our friends who are listening to radio across the country and also we have a number of folks who listen on the internet not only North America but even as far away as New Zealand and South Africa, all around the world. We also have those who are joining us on Facebook live this evening and we would like to greet all of you. Welcome to our program, as you can see, it's just me today here as part of Bible Answers Live. Pastor Doug is away this weekend. He's actually out of town, but we're here ready to take your Bible questions.

If you have a Bible-related question, the phone line here to the studio is 800-463-72-97. I'll give you that number again as we go through the program, but make sure you write it down. The number is 800-463-72-97. That will bring you right you to the studio with your Bible question. I'll be giving you another number which is our free offer number for our different resources and I'll give you that number in just a moment. Let me talk about our amazing fact. We talked about this remarkable little muscle in the inner ear of the bat that can actually separate the eardrum of the bat from the inner ear so that it can just hear its echo.

It's a really remarkable thing and all this happens in just a few moments every second, more than a hundred times. Of course, God is the one who designed this and built this ability for the bat and there's a lesson in that for us. The Bible tells us in Matthew 10:29. It's actually Jesus speaking. He says, "Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin and not one of them falls to the ground apart from your father's will but the very hairs of your head are all numbered do not fear, therefore. You are more valuable than many sparrows."

When you think about the remarkable design that's involved in the creatures that God has made. You got the birds, you got the bath, you got the flowers, the trees everything so delicately designed how much more does God care about you. We have a book that talks about assurance. God's love for us and also the plan of redemption. It is a book written by pastor Doug and this is our free offer this evening will be happy to send this to anyone who calls and asks, all you have to do is call 800-835-67-47 and ask for the book called Assurance Justification Made Simple. That number again is 800-835-67-47.

You can ask for the book Assurance written by Pastor Doug. We'll be happy to send this out to anyone who calls and asks. If you have a Bible question, our phone line here to the studio again is 800-463-72-97 that'll bring in here and we'll be able to talk about your Bible question. Again, that number is 800-463-72-97. With that I think we're ready to go to the phone lines our first call it that we have is Let's see, we have Mark listening from, looks like Canada. Mark, welcome to the program.

Mark: Yes. Hello.

Pastor Ross: Hi Mark you on the air?

Mark: Hi. My question is I see Pastor Doug is not there.

Pastor Ross: Yes, Pastor Doug is out of town.

Mark: My question was because lately in several of his broadcasts, he's made reference to unfallen worlds, and I was just wondering where in the Bible we might find some information on that.

Pastor Ross: Yes, that's a good question. We do have several references actually that talk about these beings. Not from our world, but from other worlds in Job 1:6. It talks about a gathering together. This is Job 1:6. It says now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan also came among them.

It's describing a meeting that occurs somewhere in the universe probably in heaven and it talks about this group of people or calls them the sons of God, the representatives of these other worlds and then Satan shows up and he's claiming to represent the Earth and God asked the question if you consider my servant Job and of course Satan says well, the only reason he serves you is because all of the blessings you have bestowed upon him and then you have the whole story of Job play out. Some have seen in the sons of God that spoken of Iain Job as being the representatives of these unfallen worlds.

You can also read in the book of Hebrews. Hebrews chapter one where it's speaking about creation and Christ. It says that through Him He created the world's and it uses the plural word therefore worlds. Our world is not the only world that God created. It appears as though they are other worlds and there are other created beings other than Angels. Angels typically abide in heaven, but there are other worlds. We think our world is the only one that has fallen prey to Satan's deceptions.

These other worlds probably have resisted Satan's temptations, they are faithful to God. They're also seen as the 24 Elders that are described in Revelation. Revelation chapter four talks about these 24 elders and some seen that the representatives of the unfallen worlds and in Psalms we read about how that the Lord reigns before his elders gloriously, so when you put these different verses together, it comes to light that there are these unfallen worlds and they are the representatives of the unfallen worlds there in heaven witnessing the great controversy being played out here on the earth.

Mark: Very interesting. Thank you.

Pastor Ross: Yes, absolutely. You know, we do have a book actually Pastor Doug wrote a book, and it's called The Sons Of God, Who Are the Sons of God? It talks about this here in the verse in particularly in Job as well as some of the other references and Mark we'd be happy to send that to you. All you have to do is call us on our resource phone line. That number is 800-835-67-47 and ask for the book called Who are the Sons of God. Again that number is 800-835-67-47. If you have a Bible question, we do have a few lines still open the number call is 800-463-72-97, that's 800-463-72-97. Our next caller that we have is let's see. We have Robert listening in Tennessee. Robert, welcome to the program.

Robert: Hi, there.

Pastor Ross: Hi, Robert and your question tonight?

Robert: I have a question about in Songs of Solomon 7:3, mentions the gentleman who is speaking of his potential bride. He's mentioning her breasts are like two fawns twins of a gazelle. Okay, he is mentioning a part of the female body that is actually for child feeding. Would that be to say that because he's speaking of her in a different way than her breasts were meant to be for feeding children, he's thinking of them in a sexual way, is that actually considered what you would say I don't know perversion?

Pastor Ross: Okay, that's a good question. Let me share a little bit about that. Songs of Solomon is a very interesting book and it clearly there's several themes that you can see in there, there's definitely the love of a husband and a wife that that's pretty evident there an intimacy that God originally designed for a husband and wife. It also has spiritual meaning or spiritual applications. In the Bible, the church is described as the bride of Christ and the groom is described as Jesus. You can also find that the purpose of the church is, first of all, to be committed to Christ, to be fully surrendered to Christ. Then the church is to reflect his character to the world and to grow to do evangelism and to produce, so to speak, other believers in Christ. You've got some other that parallel.

Songs of Solomon is a very descriptive passage. It is written in Poetic form. There's some poetic language that's used in the description that you find here. Yes, it is a book that deals with romance and the marriage relationship and it's one of those interesting books that yes sometimes you got to depending on your audience, where you want to read from that book because it is pretty descriptive in some ways. To be honest with you, we just need to be careful. We do have a live program here and we have all kinds of audience listening. We got to be careful on where we go with it. I would encourage folks that you'd like to read it for yourself.

Take a look at the book of Songs of Solomon and there's a lot of interesting comments there that I think need to be looked at in its proper context. Of course, that's true for any subject that you studying in the Bible.

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Pastor Ross: Our next caller that we have is Samuel listening from Wisconsin. Samuel, welcome to the program.

Samuel: Yes, thank you for taking my call.

Pastor Ross: Hi, thanks for calling and your question this evening?

Samuel: Yes, in Genesis 2:2-3 where God rested on the Sabbath, after creation. Before it was a Sunday keeper but after listening to your program it seemed that the importance that God had rested blessed and sanctified it is that the only day the Lord rested in the Bible?

Pastor Ross: It is especially in the sense of creation. God created the Earth in six days. Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day and then God rested on the seventh day and if you look at the fourth Commandment in Exodus chapter 20, it says to remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy. Six days the Lord God made the heavens the earth the sea and everything in it, and then he rested on the seventh day and sanctified it. To sanctify something means to set it apart for a holy use. God set aside the seventh day he rested on that day. Now God did not rest because it was exhausted in creating the Earth. God just spoke things into being but the rest spoken of here in Genesis chapter two is a rest satisfaction. It is completion. His work was perfect.

The Bible says was very good and God rested from the work of creating and as a memorial of His creative work the Sabbath was established way back even before sin entered the world. Of course that's reflected in the 10 Commandments. You have a fourth Commandment that talks about that. You go to the New Testament, again, the Sabbath he's spoken of. Jesus kept the Sabbath. You find the Sabbath mentioned many times in the book of Acts. We find the Sabbath theme from creation all the way through the Bible and if you look at some of the prophetic passages that talk about the earth made new, it again brings up the Sabbath that God's people will keep the Sabbath in the earth we created.

Samuel: Is that the only time God rested in the Bible?

Pastor Ross: Well, yes, at least from the work of creation where God rested.

Samuel: That's why I was curious but that answers my question and Shalom to you, brother.

Pastor Ross: All right, absolutely. Thanks your call, Samuel. Appreciate it. Our next caller that we have is let's see. We've got Bill listening in Chicago. Bill welcome to the program, Bill, you're on the air. Bill in Chicago going once, going twice. All right, we might have to come back to you, Bill. Let's see we've got, Alvin I believe it is listening in Bronx, New York. There it is. Yes. Hi and welcome to the program.

Alvin: Yes, how are you, pastor Ross?

Pastor Ross: I'm doing very well. Thank you.

Alvin: Pastor Doug is not here today?

Pastor Ross: Pastor Doug is out of town. He might be listening for all we know but he's not here in the studio.

Alvin: Okay, the Millennium. There are some those who believe that these thousand years the period of in connection with the description of Christ's second return during with his Saints has recorded in Revelation 20:1-9. They are defined in different sectors. To me, it says making the subject a little bit difficult to understand for some. They are teachings of a millennial, post-millennial, and premillennial. Where do you stand on this and what relation of it with the tribulation?

Pastor Ross: Okay. Good question. Let me give a little background for our listeners who might not be that familiar with the subject of the Millennium. The word Millennium doesn't appear in the Bible but it's a Latin, it means a thousand years. The Bible does speak of a special thousand-year period and the key passage for this is Revelation chapter 20. Sometimes the question is asked, "Well, what's happening on the earth during the thousand years or where are the righteous during the thousand years? Does the tribulation proceed the Millennium? How does that all fit together?

Well, if you look at the sequence as given in the Book of Revelation and some other passages in the New Testament, the time of trouble or the tribulation precedes the second coming of Christ. Here's a few verses, Daniel 12:1, it says at that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands to watch over the sons of thy people and there will be a time of trouble worse than the world has ever seen but at that time thy people shall be delivered every one found written in the book." Here in Daniel 12, it talks about a time worse than the world has ever seen and that God's people are delivered meaning they are delivered through that time of trouble. They are protected during those plagues that fall upon the Earth, call it the seven last place that you can read about in Revelation chapter 15, 16, and then Jesus comes.

You have the second coming of Christ. Jesus comes and the righteous are taken to Heaven. You have the resurrection of the righteous, saints who have died. They are resurrected at the second coming. Those who are living are changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye there caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds in the air and they spent a thousand years in heaven with Christ and they're participating in the judging of the wicked during that time period. The condition on the earth after Jesus comes talks about the Earth being broken down. It talks about the Earth is sort of a dark desolate region.

Actually Revelation chapter three talks about the bottomless pit is sort of a description of that. The wicked are destroyed by the brightness of Christ coming that second Thessalonians. For a thousand years the righteous are in heaven, the Earth these desolate, Satan and his angels are bound on the earth during that thousand years. At the end of the 1000 year period you reading Revelation chapter 21, that the New Jerusalem descends from God out of Heaven.

All the wicked are resurrected and they stand outside the New Jerusalem for what we call the great white throne judgment that you can also read about in Revelation chapter 20. Following the great white throne judgement, finally, every knee bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. It's not a repentance either, it's more of an acknowledgment of the facts because no sooner do they say that when the devil goes out and is able to deceive them and they mount their attack upon the New Jerusalem, then it is that fire comes down from God out of heaven and devours them. Then God creates a new heavens and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness. So that's just a quick synopsis of the different steps that take place during that time period. I hope that helps, does that make sense?

Alvin: Yes, but my question is what is the relationship with the tribulation and the millennial?

Pastor Ross: Well the tribulation occurs before the Millennium begins, the Millennium begins with the second coming of Christ. When Jesus comes again that thousand-year time period begins, you'll notice the end of Revelation chapter 19, which leads into the thousand years is a description of the second coming of Christ. Where Jesus is described as coming to execute judgment upon the wicked. That's the second coming, then once Jesus comes and the righteous are caught up to meet him in the air.

They go to heaven for a thousand years the wicked are all destroyed. That is the millennial period that 1,000 years. We do have a study guide dealing with the subject of the Millennium and we would be happy to send that out to anyone who calls and asks. It's called A Thousand Years Of Peace and I think you'll enjoy this Alvin or anyone who wants to learn more about what the Bible has to say on this subject. Just ask for the study guide called A Thousand Years Of Peace and the number to call is 800-835-67-47. That is a resource phone line. 800-835-67-47 and you can ask for the study guide called A Thousand Years Of Peace. Our next caller that we have is listening in Lodi, California, I believe it's Shawn. Shawn welcome to the program.

Shawn: Thanks for taking my call.

Pastor Ross: Thanks for waiting.

Shawn: I'm just trying to gain a better understanding of the role and purpose of the 144,000 especially in end-time prophecy.

Pastor Ross: Okay, 144,000 are described for us in two principal passages in Revelation. The one is Revelation chapter seven and the other is Revelation chapter 14, the first six verses talk about the 144,000. The 144,000 they're God's end-time Apostles that take a special warning message to the world. They're alive when Jesus comes the second time. They are translated to heaven without seeing death. Some of the descriptions given you can find in Revelation chapter seven goes all the way through to talks about them as part of a great multitude. It says there are ones who have gone through Great Tribulation.

I'm looking verse 15 thou Before the Throne of God, they serve him day and night and then it says in verse 16, they neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore. The sun does not strike them nor any heat, by the way, that is one of the plagues, is an intense heat. It says the lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of water. God will wipe away every tear from the eye. They're God's people in the last days that have a special work of taking the gospel to the world, especially in the context of the second coming of Christ.

Shawn: Are they insulated from the end-time tribulation?

Pastor Ross: Yes, they live through the seven last plagues, but they are protected just like Elijah of old was protected during the time of the drought that came upon Israel. God provided water from the brook Cherith and he had food that was brought to him by the birds, by the ravens. He was protected from the wrath of King Ahab and Jezebel. So God's people in the last days those who do this work of Elijah, this end time Evangelistic proclamation in the last days there protected during that time of universal judgment and destruction that comes upon the earth.

Shawn: They're people like you and I, they're not angelic?

Pastor Ross: No, they they're believers they people like you and I. You can have more of a description in Revelation chapter 14 where it talks about them seeing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn that song except a hundred and forty-four thousand then it says who were redeemed from the earth. So these are real people. It says these are the ones who were not defiled.

It talks about them being pure, it says in their mouth was found no deceit for they are without fault before the Throne of God. So here's a group of people who have come so close to Jesus. They've allowed the Holy Spirit to so infill them that they reflect God's character in the last days in a special way and do a great work of evangelism.

Shawn: We should all want to be part of that.

Pastor Ross: Absolutely. Absolutely. We want to be filled with the spirit and share the good news with as many people as we can. You know, we do have a book that talks about the 144,000. I think you'd find it interesting. It's The Hundred and Forty-four Thousand. Who are they? We'll send you the book for free. All you have to do is just call us on our resource phone line and that number is 800-835-67-47 and this is for anyone, anyone can call and ask for the book about the 144,000. Again, that number is 800-835-67-47, ask for the book about the 144,000. The next caller that we have is Bill listening from Chicago. Bill are you there?

Bill: Yes, hi.

Pastor Ross: Hi, welcome to the program.

Bill: Hi pastors, I am calling for some advice that I've gotten two different answers from two different pastors and so I'm calling to see what you think.

Pastor Ross: All right. Hey, we got about two minutes before we have to take a break. So what's your question?

Bill: Okay, my question is basically, is it okay to go to church if the only way you have to get there is to pay somebody to give you a ride?

Pastor Ross: Is it okay to go to church if you have to pay somebody to get you there? Well, I think if that's the only way that you can get to church is to pay someone to get you there, that's okay. Ideally what you'd want to do in the best case scenario it would be nice, if you could-- I know some folks go to church and they have to use public transportation like a bus or a train and they'll try and buy a ticket that is good for a week or two or whatever the case might be so that they don't necessarily have to buy something on the Sabbath. If that is the only means to get to church is to pay a taxi drive to get you there, I think it's important for you to go to church.

Matter of fact, the Bible says we are not to neglect the gathering of ourselves together. If that's part of what's needed to get to church, I wouldn't feel guilty about that. I know I've had to travel before and I've actually had to pay a toll to get to the church on Sabbath morning. You cross over a bridge, you go through a tunnel and you know, what you do, you got to do it you need to get to church. I think that's very important. That's actually what the Bible tells us to do to get the church. Does that help?

Bill: It does but you know I've just been torn because you know, it says in the fourth commandment we're not supposed to work or managed or maybe circuit work on Sabbath enough toll? If I do this and paying somebody to work on Sabbath.

Pastor Ross: Yes, well Bill, you know what I'd be going to run out of time. Let me comment on that quickly. Without a doubt we want to do everything. You can to minimize what others have to do on Sabbath, but when it comes to coming to church that is rather important and we want to try all we can to prearrange. Friends, we'll be right back after the break.

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Pastor Ross: Hello friends. Welcome back. Yes, this is bible answers live and if you have a Bible-related question, we'd love to hear from you this evening. The number to call is 800-463-72-97. I want to greet those who are joining us on Facebook as well. As you can see I'm the one here alone this evening. Pastor Doug is actually out of town tonight, but we're ready to take your Bible questions. If you have a Bible question, the number again is 800-463-72-97. I'll be giving you another number later on in the program. That is our resource phone line. We have a number of resources that would also make available to you. With your Bible question, the number to call 800-463-72-97. Our next call is Merle listening from Arkansas. Merle, welcome to the program.

Merle: Yes, thank you. My question is regarding homosexuality so that we may give direction by the word of God.

Pastor Ross: All right, so there are quite a few verses in the Bible that deal with this but probably one of the clearest that we have is First Corinthians if you writing this down first Corinthians 6:9, it's pretty clear. I'm going to read this for everyone again. This is what the Bible says, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived, neither fornicators nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."

Then in verse 11, it says and such were some of you but you were washed, but you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus by the spirit of our God. Here the Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is not part of God's original plan. It is a sin according to the Bible. The good news though is that God does forgive and if there is genuine repentance and someone turns from sin, of course, God is willing to forgive and he does forgive I think that's what we see in First Corinthians 6:11. Does that help?

Merle: First Corinthians--

Pastor Ross: First Corinthians chapter six and you can read all the way from verse nine through to verse 11.

Merle: Verse nine through verse 11. Thank you, Pastor Ross.

Pastor Ross: You're welcome, thank you for calling. Our next caller that we have is listening in Charlotte, North Carolina. I believe it's Lollia. Hi, and your question this evening?

Lollia: Yes, my question is from Luke 16, the parable of the unjust shrewd. Why were the actions of the unjust shrewd commended? What did Jesus mean by make friends for yourselves by unrighteous Mammon when you fail they may receive you into an everlasting home.

Pastor Ross: Yes. Well, let me give you a little bit of the context of the parable here you finding Luke chapter 16. Actually starts in verse 1 and goes all the way through to verse 13 and like many of The Parables that Jesus told there is a deeper lesson that is being emphasized in the parable. In the story, there is a sort of a landowner or a master who has a steward and the steward is not being very faithful with the funds that his master had given to him to oversee and manage. He realizes he's going to be caught out and he could very well lose his job.

He actually goes to the people that owe money to his master and he says to them, "Listen, what do you owe?" "Well, I owe so much." He says, "Well, we'll give you less. Instead of a hundred measures of oil, go ahead and why don't you just pay for a small amount. Pay for 50 or whatever it might be." He goes to all of the different debtors of his master and he works out a deal knowing that he's probably going to lose his job and at least then he has a place that he can go. He has a friend. He's made a friend with someone. Now Jesus uses that not that in any way the Bible is condoning that we should do that kind of thing, but the principle is that this man thought ahead.

He thought ahead and he planned accordingly. Now if that's what the wicked would do, how much more should the righteous think ahead and plan. We know that there is a day of judgment that is coming and our eternal destiny, our eternal life is at stake. Shouldn't we also be diligent then to make friends with our savior Jesus? Shouldn't we put the time in, shouldn't we seek forgiveness and seek His grace? If the wicked prepare for the future, how much more should the righteous prepare for an eternal future? That is the lesson that Jesus is trying to emphasize using this story, this parable.

Lollia: Okay, thank you. I got you. Thank you so much.

Pastor Ross: All right. Absolutely. Good question. Next one that we have is Chris and he's listening in Florida. Chris, welcome to the program. You're on Bible Answers Live? Hi Chris, you there? Yes, I can hear you.

Chris: Yes, this is Chris.

Pastor Ross: Hi, Chris and your question today?

Chris: Hi yes, I have a question about our bodies, physical bodies when we die. We all know what Paul says in Thessalonians one of those remember that when we die, we are at rest?

Pastor Ross: Yes.

Chris: Waiting for resurrection and judgment?

Pastor Ross: Correct.

Chris: But in Philippians, I don't remember who whether it's true or false, Paul says that's he would rather die and be with Christ. So what do you think? What does he mean by that?

Pastor Ross: Okay. Well Paul also makes it clear that flesh and blood cannot inherit eternal life. He also says in Corinthians that these mortal bodies must put on immortality and that occurs when Jesus comes the second time. When a person dies their next conscious thought is the second coming of Christ if they're a believer. Their next conscious thought is the presence of God. Jesus is right there in front of them. He's seated on the cloud. They are resurrected.

They are being caught up to meet Jesus in the air and now hundreds of years could have passed or 10, 15, whatever could have passed between their death and their resurrection, but they not aware of time. When a person dies the Bible says his thoughts perish. He's unaware that time has gone by. When Paul says to the absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, he's just talking about when we die, our next conscious thought is we are present with the Lord, it's the second coming and we are resurrected not with these mortal bodies, but with the immortal bodies, the bodies that will last throughout all eternity.

Chris: Yes, that's it but my second sub-question is how Paul could be so sure that he will be in presence of Jesus when he dies.

Pastor Ross: Well, you know Paul had the assurance of Salvation which we can have as well. The Bible says whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Paul, near the end of his life said, "I fought a good fight. I have finished the race. Therefore there is laid up for me not only for me but all of those that love God, a crown of righteousness." Paul was confident that Jesus is his Lord his Savior, he was looking forward to that Resurrection morning when he would be in the presence of God. Now, of course that occurs Paul will be in the presence of God at the resurrection morning with all the righteous who are resurrected when Jesus comes the second time and that is the hope of the Christian.

Chris: Right. Okay. Thank you, Pastor Ross, it answers my questions. Thank you very much.

Pastor Ross: All right. Well, thanks for calling. We do have a study guide, Chris, that will be happy to send you or anyone wanting to know more about this. It's simply called Are the Dead really Dead? It's an amazing fact study guide to receive that the number to call is 800-835-67-47 and just ask for the study guide called Are the Dead really Dead? Our next caller is James and he's listening from Florida. James, welcome to the program.

James: Hi Pastor John, how are you doing?

Pastor Ross: Doing well, thank you.

John: I was calling up to get some advice on if there is considered a proper way when doing communion. I have recently visited a new church, and they just happened to have been doing communion that day. I'm used to communion where you have your 11th cracker and then you have your little cup of grape juice. You do the cracker and then you take the grape juice and all that stuff. The way that this church had done it was they had fresh bread that people would tear off a fragment and dip it in the grape juice and just eat a grape juice soaked piece of bread. I'm not entirely sure if that is considered the biblical way to do it. For some reason, all I could think of was just thinking about the passages where Jesus was calling out Judas saying the man that dips his hand with the bread is the one that was going to betray him. I want to know what your thoughts were on that.

Pastor Ross: Okay, good question. First of all, I'll give you a passage in just a minute in First Corinthians 11, but when it comes to communion at least the type of bread that's used, the communion service is a replacement for the Passover service of the Old Testament. In the Passover service, it was unleavened bread that was used, in the Bible leavened sometimes represents at least in the Passover context represented sin and of course Christ's sacrifice he was sinless even though he bore our sins it was not for any sin that he had committed.

You will find that in most churches that practice communion at least according to the Bible they will use unleavened bread meaning bread that does not have yeast in it. Usually, it's a flat type of bread now with reference to the order of eating the bread and drinking the grape juice. Again, it is unfermented wine meaning it's grape juice. It doesn't have yeast. Probably one of the clearest admonitions that we find is First Corinthians chapter 11:23. I'll read this James, for you and there are those who are listening. This the Apostle Paul he says, "For for I received of the Lord that which also I delivered to you. That the Lord Jesus on the same night in which he was betrayed took bread and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said take eat. This is my body that is broken for you do this in remembrance of me."

Here you find the bread being broken and people eat the bread. Then in verse 25 in the same manner, he also took the cup after supper saying, "This cup is the New Covenant in my blood, this do as often as you drink it in remembrance of me. For as often as you eat the bread and drink of the cup you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes." From this passage, it appears to be the eating of the bread first and then the drinking of the grape juice second, not necessarily dipping into the grape juice. I know in our church. We have the bread separate from the grape juice and we follow the same order that we find here in First Corinthians 11:23.

Pastor Ross: Okay. Yes, that was kind of what I was thinking along those lines absolutely and I'm definitely going to look up that verse in First Corinthians and the study on that too.` I appreciate that.

Pastor Doug: Absolutely First Corinthians chapter 11:23. Thanks for your call, James, we appreciate it. Next caller color that we have is Shamiya listening, Shamiya, welcome to the program.

Shamiya: Hello.

Pastor Doug: Hi welcome. Thanks for calling.

Shamiya: Okay, I would like to know like yes, my name is Shamiya--

Pastor Doug: You know Shamiya, you might have to turn your radio down. I can hear an echo there in the background.

Shamiya: I'm sorry.

Pastor Doug: That would be helpful. Make it easier and your question this evening?

Shamiya: I have a question because I just met an theist man and I share the gospel on my Snapchat just like and I like inspiring others, and I don't want to step down my role in leading people now that will write way through like inspirational. Your inspiration on any facts.

Pastor Doug: You're kind of wondering a little bit about how do you share with an atheist about Jesus? Is that the question?

Shamiya: Yes.

Pastor Doug: Okay. Well good question, of course we bump into atheists, especially if we're studying at a secular university. We might find folks who claim to be atheist. I think one of the best ways that we can witness to an atheist first and foremost is live the teachings of Jesus. It's one thing to claim to be a Christian if we're not living the teachings of Christ. If we're living a consistent Christian life following the teachings of Jesus first and foremost with ourselves, then we can speak from a personal experience of Jesus. We could explain to someone that Jesus is more than just a theoretical agreement with a set of beliefs, but he is a real person.

He loves us. Jesus died to save us. Jesus gives peace. Jesus gives hope and strength. The most effective witness where you working with an atheist or somebody else is your personal testimony. Somebody might argue your theology but if you sharing your own experience of what Jesus has done for you that's very hard for somebody to argue against. I think that's where it starts, sharing your own experience your testimony of what Jesus has done for you and then as an interest awakens to learn more about the Bible.

Then what I would do is I'd direct their attention to some of the prophecies in the Bible that helped to prove the Bible as true. When people can see that these prophecies in the Bible did come true, they were fulfilled then usually they willing to hear more about what the Bible has to say. First of all, you want to live the teachings of Jesus. Secondly, you want to be willing to share a testimony of what Jesus means to you, and then as interest grows, you can direct them to some of the prophetic passages of the Bible to build credibility in the scriptures. Does that help?

Shamiya: Okay, yes, but like I have a question, what if she says she doesn't care?

Pastor Doug: What if she doesn't care? Well again, you know, you can't force someone if they don't want to hear, you're not going to be able to force them to hear but you can at least be the best witness that you. Look for those opportunities, when things open up if you can share a word of encouragement, if you can give someone a little bit of the hope that you have in Jesus you pray for the person and then allow the Holy Spirit to do its work. Work with the spirit to help and guiding that situation. We want to thank you for your call, Shamiya. Our next caller that we have is listening from Long Island. It's Envers, I think the name is Long Island, New York. Envers are you there?

Envers: Yes, I'm there, how are you doing?

Pastor Doug: Ain't no problem, you're on the air.

Envers: Yes, how are you?

Pastor Doug: Good, very good. Thank you.

Envers: My question comes from Matthew 16:19. I know you want to read it.

Pastor Doug: Yes, let me read it for you. It says Matthew chapter 16:19 for those who might be driving, Jesus speaking, he's speaking to the disciples and he says, "I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you bind on Earth will be bound in heaven and whatever you loose on Earth will be loosed in heaven." Your question is you wondering what this means right?

Envers: Yes, but also I hear someone using this verse saying that the church if someone is like removed from the membership of the church, is actually being removed from the books of having things this verse is giving like authority to the church. So what do you think about?

Pastor Doug: Okay, well the authority that Jesus gives to the church and in a special sense to his disciples here was the authority to preach the gospel. In preaching the gospel, they were opening the Kingdom of Heaven to those who would receive it. In preaching the gospel, they were closing heaven to those who rejected it. The key is the gospel. The preaching of the Gospel is where the disciples worked to fulfill their mission in either opening heaven or closing heaven depending upon whether a person received the gospel or rejected the gospel. Our eternal salvation is dependent upon our choice. It's not a decision that somebody else can make for us.

It's not a decision that the church can make on our behalf. We have to personally choose Jesus. Now, having said that there are times in a church where perhaps a member needs to be placed on some type of disciplinary measure or maybe there's a believer in the church who is openly living in sin and the church needs to deal with that situation there. There are sometimes where someone's membership might have to be removed from the church records.

That's not removing the name from Heaven. It's quite possible though that if the church has to remove their name from the church books, perhaps they've already rebelled against God to the point where their name is already removed from heaven, but it doesn't mean that they lost forever. I know of many instances where people, they had their names removed from the church records but as time went on they came through repentance. They acknowledged their sin, they confessed to God and they were reunited with the church. Yes, these many instances and experiences where people have had their so this is not an arbitrary decision that the church makes as to who's going to be saved and who's going to be lost. Each individual has to make that decision for themselves.

Envers: Okay. Okay, if member they say they don't have time to be baptized and they were removed from the church. That means they can be still being safe. Right?

Pastor Doug: Oh, absolutely matter of fact the correct manner of dealing with a member that is apotheosised, meaning they're not following the teachings of Jesus or the Bible, you deal with them and sometimes you need to remove them from membership, but you do so with the hope that through that they will realize the error of their ways and come to a point of repentance. That's the ultimate goal, to bring them to a point of repentance and then that they would be reunited.

Envers: Okay. Okay. Thank you.

Pastor Ross: All right. Thanks. I appreciate your call.

Envers: Thank you for your time.

Pastor Ross: Absolutely. Our next caller that we have is Christopher and I believe listening from Trinidad. Christopher, welcome to the program.

Christopher: Goodnight. Sorry.

Pastor Ross: Yes. Hi. Welcome.

Christopher: Thanks.

Pastor Ross: Your question tonight?

Christopher: My question is what is the importance of the correct understanding of the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ?

Pastor Ross: All right. First of all, I think let's deal with the last part of your question first talking about the Divinity of Jesus. I think it's an important Biblical teaching that we need to recognize that Jesus was indeed God. John chapter one talks about in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God all things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. It's clearly talking about Jesus. So it's very clear from the Bible that Jesus is one with the father. He does share the character qualities of being Divine. He is God and then also the Holy Spirit, we find in the New Testament also sharing those same qualities of divinity so the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, they're all Divine. Does that help Christopher?

Christopher: Yes, yes.

Pastor Ross: Now the question you had is how important is it for us to understand that?

Christopher: Yes, the correct understanding of these things.

Pastor Ross: Of the Trinity, I think first of all, God reveals the truth to us and depending upon how we respond to that truth is important. We might not at first have a full correct understanding of God and I don't think anyone has a complete understanding of who God is and we're talking about God, the creator of the universe, but what has been revealed to us in the Bible we ought to seek that out and then accept that as revealed in the Bible. We might not be able to explain it or understand it fully.

How can we try and comprehend the fact that God has no beginning? From a human perspective that's very hard to try and wrap our mind around that God is always been, he has no beginning because we live in a world that's got beginnings and endings but this is something that the Bible says and so because it says that in the Bible, we accept it. We believe it, we take it as the Bible reads and I think that's the most important when we talk about this subject is recognizing there are areas that we do not understand but also then accepting those clear things that are expressed in scripture.

Christopher, we do have a book that we'll be happy to send you. Matter of fact, you could probably read it for free online at the Amazing Facts website. The book is called The Trinity, Is it biblical? It's called The Trinity, Is it biblical or you can call and ask for the book. The number is 800-835-67-47 and anyone is listening you can call and ask for the book Is the Trinity biblical and we'll be happy to send that to you. Our next caller is Thomas listening in Toronto, Canada Thomas, welcome to the program.

Thomas: Yes. How are you doing?

Pastor Ross: Doing well and your question this evening?

Thomas: Yes. This is my question in the Bible, it talks about the Divine punishment was that we return to dust, right?

Pastor Ross: Yes.

Thomas: I understand that like Seventh-day Adventists don't believe in Immortal Soul neither do I, so we do indeed return to dust. This is my question because when I called in I said is Jesus oxygen. This is something that I came to understand when you look at the periodic table, carbon has six electrons, six protons and six neutrons in carbon is the basis of all life basically can call carbon dust and oxygen has eight electrons, eight protons, and eight neutrons, right?

Pastor Ross: Okay.

Thomas: When you add up Jesus's name in Greek in the New Testament was written in Greek. It adds up to eight eight eight and that's the same as oxygen.

Pastor Ross: Okay, and so are you saying Jesus is oxygen or just that he's like oxygen?

Thomas: Jesus would be that living tree that produces the spiritual oxygen for us to live eternally.

Pastor Ross: Okay, yes, I can see what you're saying. Yes, let me say something about that. It is remarkable. You have the creation story. It says God formed Adam out of the dust of the earth, out of the clay. So you have he physical matter. Then it says and God breathed into Adam the breath of life and Adam became a living being. Now we know oxygen is essential for human life and yet with the life that Jesus gave Adam, this breath of life, it was something more than just oxygen, although oxygen is needed but it's that spark of life.

You can have a dead person and you can pump as much oxygen in them as you like. It's not necessarily going to bring them back to life unless there is that narrow window of opportunity. In some ways, you can think of the life-giving power as oxygen but God is of course so much more than oxygen, but it is an interesting connection there to think of God, we need oxygen every day to breathe. We need Jesus every day spiritually to breathe and just as oxygen brings life and strength so Jesus brings life and strength to those who believe in him. Well, I want to thank you for your call, Thomas.

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