The Wisdom of the Spirit

The Wisdom of the Spirit

Date: 10/13/2019 
Loneliness, frustration, adultery and divorce ; judgment, prophecy, Heaven and the Trinity : all are issues that cross and confuse the Christian path. In this edition of Bible Answers Live, listen to Pastor Doug and Pastor Ross answer questions regarding these topics and plenty more that involve the Christian mind and life. Open your Bible and come study with us !
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Pastor Doug Batchelor: Hello, friends, would you like to hear an amazing fact? Well, it looks like the religious robots are coming. For example, a 400-year-old Buddhist temple in Kyoto, Japan has a new priest named Mindar. He delivers sermons and moves around to interface with worshipers, but Mindar comes with some unusual traits, a body made of aluminum and silicon for starters.

Yes, robot priests are popping up everywhere. Last year in the small German town of Wittenberg, they unveiled a robot priests that's called BlessU-2, that delivers blessings in five languages while screaming beams of light from its hands. During a Hindu festival in India, the Patel Automation Company hit on the idea of letting a robot perform the worship ritual for the elephant head God at its Pune facility.

Then, there's Santo, an 18-inch tall robot that looks like a generic Catholic saint, but it's equipped with some software it uses to listen to people, scan their faces for signs of specific emotions, and then select religious texts that might be relevant to their troubles. With a recent explosion of artificial intelligence, it makes you wonder, where do you draw the line between a smartphone and a computerized pastor? Stay with us friends we're going to learn more on this edition of Bible Answers Live.

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Pastor Jean Ross: My name is Jean Ross. Good evening friends. Pastor Doug, it's good to be back with a live program. We've been gone for a couple of weeks and we are just delighted to do this live. Our friends who are listening, you're welcome to call in with your Bible question. The number is 800-463-7297. Let's start with the word of prayer. Dear Father, we thank you that we have this opportunity once again to open up your word and study together. We do ask for the Holy Spirit to come and guide us as we search the Scriptures. Thank you for your promise to be with us, be with those who are listening, Lord, for we ask this in Jesus name. Amen.

Doug: Amen.

Jean: Well, Pastor Doug, in the age of computerized shopping in computerized directions, and even to some degree, computerized medical assistance, diagnosis different. I want to have a computerized pastor that could sympathize with you and quote scripture. Well, it seems like some folks are thinking about that and you don't have to pay a salary.

Doug: Well, they're probably some people in my church that wish I was a computerized pastor. I think that there might be something that would be missing or even maybe even ethically wrong with it. Now, I've got a confession to make. My daughter bought me an Alexa, which is, it's a wireless device. You ask it questions. I'm usually saying things like, "What's the temperature today? Remind me to make this phone call."

You call out his name you say, "Alexa," and then you ask a question, "what time does sunset or whatever?" She answers. You can even say Alexa, you got a joke and it'll tell you a joke, or, "Alexa, play this music," and it plays the music. I remember asking the Alexa for a question and then it told me, and I said thank you. I'm thinking, "Why am I thanking the computer. It doesn't know." [laughs] I think it said, "You're welcome."

Boy, I think it's going pretty far. Really, I don't think we're going to ever have to worry about a robot replacing a real person. Years ago they had a series called the Stepford Wives that, someone would actually develop a robotic husband or wife. God made man with the Holy Spirit. There's something different. You can read in the book of Job, man is not just an automation. We have a freewill. There's an inspiration, where ideas come that doesn't come necessarily from pre-programming that they can't even explain. How does Mozart suddenly know how to do what he did?

In Job 32:8 it says, "But there is a spirit in man and the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding." This is talking about more than just the breath of life. It's talking about something about the spirit that gives them understanding. You read in Daniel 5:11, the Queen Mother said, "There is a man in your kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the Holy God."

There is something unique about men, and as intelligent as many animals are. A new animal compares with man in just his ability to communicate, to think and build and live out the abstract in imagination. I don't think you'll ever train a computer to recite scripture or maybe even the computer priests they've got there in Japan, it just is reciting. It goes around on wheels, and it recites pre-programmed prayers.

I know when I'm preaching, things come to me that weren't in my studies and I just say, "Well, that isn't for me. God is speaking." There's something about inspiration. Now God is offering that spirit. There's a certain breath of life we all get when we're born but there's a baptism of the Holy Spirit we must have when we're born again.

Jesus said, "Unless you are born of the water, water baptism, and the Spirit, Spirit baptism, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven." We have a special gift that talks about the important need of the Holy Spirit. We're going to make available for free to anyone who asks tonight.

Jean: The book is called the Holy Spirit: The Need. Again, it's called the Holy Spirit: The Need. We'll be happy to send this to anyone who calls and asks. Now, we're going to give you two numbers. The one is the one call if you have a Bible question. The other is our resource phone line, and that is 800-835-6747. That's the number you want to call and ask for the book called The Holy Spirit: The Need. The number again is 800-835-6747. If you have a question, the phone line here at the studio is 800-463-7297. We're going to go to our first caller this evening. We got Bill listening in Illinois. Bill, welcome to the program.

Bill: Hello, Pastor Doug, Pastor Jean.

Doug: Hi, thanks for calling.

Bill I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to say hello to Pastor Barney also.

Doug: [laughs] Okay.

Bill: I'm sorry. I could not resist that. I've called several times, and I could not resist saying it tonight.

Doug: Barney's your imaginary pastor, but anyway, I know what you mean. Your question tonight?

Bill: My question is, I bought myself a Bible, and I looked through so many of them. I finally decided I'm on and I bought it. I was in a nursing home. When I came home, I started reading it. Before that I was reading Bible of audio app. When I came home, I restarted in the New Testament, and I read through the entire New Testament, because I had gone through the Old Testament on my phone, and I started over again.

After I was through with New Testament, I started reading through it a second time. I get to the book of Psalms, it goes from Psalms 89 to Psalms 116. It's missing a dozen pages. I called the company and they said, "Oh, don't worry. We have a lifetime guarantee on our Bibles and we'll be happy to send you a new one. We'll send you a form to fill out.

Send it back to us, we'll send you a new Bible." When I got the form, the form says that they want me to tear out all the copyright pages in the Bible and send them to them. They won't take photocopy. It has to be the actual pages. I wanted to know what that feels like vandalizing God's Word to rip pages out of the Bible?

Doug: All right. That's a good question. I can understand you would think that doing something like that might be on the borders of doing something sacrilegious. If you've got a defective Bible, some Bibles actually, I've had to throw out Bibles just because they get torn and old, or got left out in the rain or got caught in the rain. They swell up. They're useless. Bible is sacred when you're reading the word. The book itself is ink on paper. The Spirit gives those words life. If a person was just trying to be evil and desecrate a Bible, that would be wrong. If you've got a defective book that's in the printing, and the publishers are saying, “As opposed to shipping the whole Bible back, which is heavy, send us the copyright pages so that we know that you bought it, what version it was.” There's nothing wrong with that. Then you can reverently dispose of that Bible after they issue your new one.

Jean: Usually, for the pages that have the copyright information on it, they separate pages. They don't typically have Bible texts printed on those pages. It's just the front section you have to take out. I think that would be fine.

Doug: Yes. I can understand. I appreciate that. I heard about a man that was in jail in China. Someone brought him a Bible. Well, he wasn't at all religious, but he did smoke cigarettes and he couldn't get any cigarette papers. He started tearing out the onion-thin pages of the Bible and using them as cigarette papers. He thought, “Well, this is a religious book. I should probably be reading it while I smoke it."

Whenever he got ready to smoke a cigarette, he thought, “I better read the page first, because I'll never see it again.” He’d read it and then he'd roll a cigarette, and smoke it. Somewhere around Exodus, he got converted. He was doing something we don't recommend, but God can even use that. Hey, thank you so much for your question, Bill. We appreciate it.

Jean: We do have a book talking about the Bible. It's called, The Ultimate Resource. Sometimes people have questioned about, "Where did the Bible come from? How do I read or study the Bible?" I think you'll find this book very interesting. It's called The Ultimate Resource. If you'd like to get a copy of that, the number to call is 800-835-6747, and ask for the book called The Ultimate Resource.


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Jean: We've got Bob listening in Texas. Bob, welcome to the program. You're on the air.

Bob: Thank you for taking my call. Yes, I had a question about one of the judgments listed in the Bible, and it's Matthew 25:31-46. When and where is that judgment? That's my question.

Doug: Okay. This is the parable of the sheep and the goats.

Bob: Yes.

Doug: Now, in this parable, you get the sheep and the goats representing the good and the evil of all ages that have ever lived. That would be at the end of the 1,000 years. It's like the great-white-throne judgment at the end of the millennium, when everybody who has ever lived is present and accounted for. Ultimately, the saved, He says, “Well, done good and faithful servants, enter into the joy of the Lord.” They are given permanent access to the New Jerusalem. Whereas the wicked are being told they are forever cast out. They go off into the lake of fire, and the result of their punishment is eternal. They don't get a second chance. That would be the judgment at the end of the 1,000 years.

Bob: Are there any definite clues that put it at that time? The texts around it look like they have to be about the Lord’s second coming?

Doug: First of all, if you look in Revelation 21, you find the millennium. It tells us that at the end of that 1,000 years, Satan is ultimately and his angels cast into the lake of fire. You have that happening in verse 41, says, “This everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” In Revelation, that's at the end of the millennium. Could we send you a study on that? We've got a study that talks about the Millennium in this judgment, and it's got all the verses.

Bob: Sure.

Jean: What you need to ask for Bob is just simply a study guide called A Thousand Years of Peace. It's all about the millennium. The number to call is 800-835-6747, ask for the study guide called A Thousand Years of Peace. You can also read this online, just go to the amazing facts website. It’s We have Chase listening in Houston, Texas. Chase, welcome to the program.

Chase: Good evening, Pastor Jean, Pastor Doug. How are you guys?

Doug: Hi, doing good. Thanks for calling.

Chase: Thanks for taking my call. I recently started reading Ezekiel 1. It starts out, Ezekiel's having a vision and he sees these four creatures. Then he sees, I believe it's in verse 15, he sees these wheels, and they start interacting with these wheels. I'm having a hard time understanding what these wheels are. Can you help me with that?

Doug: I'll do my best, but you might have to get in line, because it's probably one of the most mysterious, apocalyptic prophecies. The answer that I've heard a professor-- He was talking about how life we've learned now, in many ways, is a wheel within a wheel. Of course, it looks like this power, these wheels within the wheels that creatures are mobile. You could look at an Abrams tank, and a track that drives a tank is a wheel within a wheel. I don't think these angelic creatures are going around like that.

Keep in mind, the creatures are symbolic in Ezekiel and in Revelation. When it's talking about dragons with seven heads, and the sum of these things, there's symbolism there. The symbolism of the wheel and the wheel, our solar system, is a series of wheels within a wheel, a cell of life is a wheel within a wheel. We just see even atoms, and neutrons, and electrons. In the whole universe, there's this order of things, and it's almost like Ezekiel is seeing this power of life. It's something of a mystery. I don't know, Pastor Ross, you got--

Jean: Yes. Again, it's a symbolic picture, but one explanation I've heard is also illustrating the mobility, where God is all-knowing, is all-seeing. These four living creatures that make his throne, they can move to the left, the right, forward, back. God knows what's going on. He's very much aware, he’s not limited to a particular place, but he's aware of what's happening. That's one explanation on the wheels, representing mobility.

Doug: Even maybe more telling is the four creatures you see there in Ezekiel are identical to the four creatures you see in Revelation 4, they’re the same faces.

Chase: Okay.

Doug: We'd like to carry a book on that, but I have not seen anything that really unpacks that as well as I'd like. It's something of a mystery.

Chase: Oh, I appreciate your insights. Thank you very much.

Doug: All right. Hey, thanks a lot. Appreciate your call.

Jean: Next caller that we have is Becky listening from Michigan. Becky, welcome to the program.

Becky: Hello. How are you doing?

Doug: Doing well, how can we help you tonight, Becky?

Becky: My mom is in the hospital, and there's just a lot of things are complicated right now. I'm a little upset, a little lonely.

Doug: When you're feeling lonely, and you're wondering what you can do, well, of course, we'll be praying for you and your mom. As far as an answer would go, the Bible tells us to cast our cares upon the Lord. Now, can you imagine God in heaven, pacing the floor and wringing his hands looking worried, or can you imagine God perspiring with concern, our God’s vein standing out on his forehead as he's worried about a situation?

God is the quintessence of peace. He doesn't worry about anything. When you cast your cares on Him, and He sees the beginning from the end, you know that He has 1,000 answers to whatever your heartache and your loneliness is now, that you don't know anything about. He says, “I never leave you or forsake you.”

David, in Psalm 23 says, “Even though you go through the valley of the shadow of death, the Lord is with you.” Keep in mind, you don't stop in the valley. It's something that God has to bring us through. There are going to be challenges in life. There's going to be shadows, but they're temporary. You go through them with the Lord. Just stay close to Jesus, and he'll help bring you through that. Okay, Becky?

Becky: Okay. Thank you. God bless you.

Doug: God bless you. We'll be thinking of you and your mom.

Jean: I'm just thinking Pastor Doug, if we have a book dealing with that. I think we had one called, When the Brook Dries Up. I'm not sure if we still carry that one, but that might have encouragement, talking about going through trials or difficulties. Becky, if you'd call our resource phone line, that's 800-835-6747, and ask for the book called When the Brook Dried Up. We’ll send it to you for free, you'll be able to read and I think you'll find comfort and encouragement through trials and difficulties.

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Jean: We have Richard listening in Georgetown, Guyana. Looks like Rich welcome to the program.

Richard: Yes, good evening and thanks for taking my call.

Doug: Yes, sir, we appreciate it.

Richard: As I read the Bible, I realized some of these men of God, they would have had several ways. I don't see anywhere as it's being condoned anyway. However, what I would like to know, if these days a guy can commit adultery with his first wife, let's say he was married, he's now divorced, and he has another wife and then he has an affair with his first wife. How would that situation be unfolded in terms of his adultery? It was always his wife and is she his always his wife.

Doug: All right, good question. There's actually a verse and Pastor Ross might help me find it in Deuteronomy, where Moses said that if a man divorces his wife and gives her a certificate of divorcement and he goes and he married another woman, that he cannot go back to his first wife, less the land be defiled.

The Bible does specifically address that God didn't want the children of Israel to say, "Well, I'm not sure I'm happy with my first wife, I'm going to divorce her, marry another wife." "Well, the grass wasn't really any greener, I guess I'll go back to my first wife." God said, "No, you can't do that."

Once someone has given his wife a certificate of divorcement, they were to take that very seriously and it was to be considered permanent. Yes, it would be considered adultery. Once you divorce your wife, she is no longer your wife to go back to her again is adultery, especially if you're married to somebody else. I don't know, Pastor Ross, probably-- [crosstalk]

Jean: Looking it up.

Doug: Yes, I know it's in Deuteronomy and I gave you a pretty good quote on it, just from memory. Sometimes as you get older, you can't remember the chapter and verse.

Jean: The passage is Deuteronomy chapter 24:1-3, and it addresses that. Deuteronomy 24 is the chapter.

Doug: All right, Richard, hope that helps a little bit. We do have a book we can offer on marriage.

Jean: Yes, it's called Marriage Divorce and Remarriage, and we'll be happy to send it to anyone who wants to learn more about what the Bible says about marriage and remarriage. The number is 800-835-6747 and you can ask for the book called Marriage Divorce and Remarriage. Next one of them, we have is E. Frank listening from New York. E. Frank welcome to the program.

  1. Frank: Good evening, Pastor Doug and Pastor Ross.

Jean: Evening.

Frank: Yes, I would just like to state that I recently in the last 72 hours lost a fellow friend of mine who was a financial secretary of my religious organization. I just wanted to address this question because it's a concern of me because this happened to have happened besides the death about approximately three weeks ago. A Reverend minister of the word, who was visiting our church here in Queens from the continent of Africa, who is a 1976 World Olympiad from the world tennis team.

He indicated that he was concerned about what's going on in the world. Especially right now in this time period, because he got nervous when he saw that the sky was turning on a blue cloudless stay in New York City was completely an entirely dark on a Monday morning when there was reports of an asteroid coming approximately 12,000 miles from the sun's orbit into the earth. As you might've heard that, that did occur and he was very nervous.

Doug: Was he wondering is there anything in the Bible about the astronomical phenomenon?

Frank: He was concerned that it could be from the seven plagues and the seven bowls and I tried to calm him down to tell him that maybe it's not that it's just that, those are astronomical anomalies that do happen from time to time.

Doug: Okay, good. I think I understand. The Bible tells us that, of course, God made the sun moon and stars, and we have shooting stars that are even mentioned in the Bible, talks about falling stars. He may have been referring to one of the seven plagues and the trumpets, I think also talk about fiery burning--

Jean: Burning star. Yes, coming down on--

Doug: Is that revelation 9.

Jean: Revelation 9.

Doug: Yes, some people have wondered if that burning star coming down in Revelation 9, is that an asteroid striking the earth? Or, and I think it mentioned something similar in the trumpets. There have been comments, sometimes God shows signs in the sun, moon, and stars. As recently as yesterday, I was reading Josephus, the historian who talked about the fall of Jerusalem and he said there were signs in the heavens. Sometimes God may give astronomical phenomenon to be Harbinger's of things coming, but I'm not qualified as a prophet to say what that one asteroid meant. Halley's Comet comes every 70, 72 years.

Jean: Well, we do have some prophetic, specific moments when we do have mentioned Matthew 24, talks about a time period when the stars will fall from heaven and the moon has the appearance of blood and the sun is darkened. We know these from certain historical occurrence back in 1833. There was a tremendous meteor shower across North America and people recognize that as could possibly be a fulfillment of this verse, but this does occur, again, just before Jesus comes.

Doug: In quick succession, yes. I would think that God would do something more dramatic. We had a shooting star or a meteorite that struck the atmosphere over Sacramento this year, I believe it was and all these people took pictures and said, what was that? It changes the atmosphere briefly when it does that, so that's happening. They had one that struck Russia. I remember the one that hit Russia well about four or five years ago created quite a boom and broke windows and some people were actually burnt by the flash.

This one in New York, I don't know that it was the most prominent, astronomical sign. Well, we appreciate your question, your call E.Frank. We're going to take a break here in a moment and we'll get on with more calls. We do have other lines open call us 800-GOD-SAYS. In the meantime, don't forget, you can see so much more on the website. We'll be right back.

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Jean: My name is Jean Ross, and we go to the next phone call. We got Phil listening in New York. Phil, welcome to the program.

Phil: Thank you very much. Thanks for taking my call. Could you hear me okay?

Jean: Loud and clear.

Phil: Okay, great. My question is this. You can go to the web right now and see at least a half a dozen websites by apparently authoritative people. Archaeologists often say the same thing, that Solomon's temple was not in that plateau behind the Western Wall, where you find the Dome of the Rock, but it was in the City of David. That is very interesting, because if that is confirmed, that would appear to open the door to the possibility of a third Jewish temple. I wonder what you think about that?

Doug: Well, I've heard that before. I've been to Israel three times and traveled with some pretty well educated scholars. I've been to where the City of David excavations are going on, we stopped and looked at that, it's remarkable what they're finding. There is no area there that is big enough to accommodate the roughly 13 acres that Solomon had under his temple. The great patio on the porch that are spoken of there in 1st Kings. I could be wrong, but I'm still inclined to think that the location on Mount Moriah, where the Western Wall is, is where Abraham offered Isaac, and it's where ultimately, they called it the threshing floor of Ornan, where David had the temple built.

Phil: Okay. Thank you very much for your point. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening to my question.

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Jean: Next caller that we have is Matt listening in Sacramento. Matt, welcome to the program.

Doug: Hi, Matt, are you still there? Might have your mute on. Matt. Matt, are you there?

Matt: Hello.

Doug: Matt, you’re on the air.

Matt: Oh, sorry. Yes, I'm from Michigan.

Jean: Michigan. Oh, okay. Sorry. We got a little mix up there on our phone lines.

Doug: Your question.

Matt: It's on Revelation 13:13, the fire that comes down. Is it possible that's more of a symbolic meaning of a false god’s acceptance, or a sending of a false spirit?

Doug: It is possible. In the Bible, when it talks about fire coming down, it was often an indicator of God's favor. When Abel offered his sacrifice, God accepted it. He did not accept the sacrifice of Cain. When Moses consecrated the temple in the wilderness, fire came down from heaven. Fire sometimes came down from heaven as a judgment, as it did with the sons of Aaron.

Later it came down to the time of Elijah as a judgment. It also came down sometimes as a sign of God accepting the sacrifice. When it says bringing fire down from heaven, that's something that only God typically did. As one time in the book of Job, it looks like the devil brought fire down from heaven. Otherwise it was always God.

It could be telling us in revelation 13 that Satan is going to seek to counterfeit the power of God. Looks like the acceptance of God. Some people used to say, well, that's an atomic bomb, fire coming down from heaven. I don't think so. I think it's talking about counterfeit holy spirit are imitating the power of God. Pastor Ross, you got any thoughts on that?

Jean: Yes, I was just going to add a little more. You got fire coming down from heaven in the book of Acts. The Holy Spirit came upon the disciples in the form of tongues of fire. In Revelation in particular, there is a counterfeit of the Holy Spirit that takes place at the end of this so called miracles and signs that appear. That helps to galvanize those who are opposed to the truth of God's Word, and obedience to the commandments in the last days. The fire coming down from heaven, Revelation 13:13, is talking about this counterfeit spirit, this counterfeit movement in the last days. The Bible warns about it.

Doug: Absolutely. Does that help a little, Matt?

Matt: Yes, it does.

Doug: We do have a book on the Holy Spirit, we'll send you a free copy. It's part of tonight's offer.

Jean: It’s called simply life, Holy Spirit: The Need. We have another one called-

Doug: Life in the Spirit.

Jean: -Life in the Spirit, but just ask for the one called The Holy Spirit: The Need. The number to call for that is 800-835-6747, and you can ask for the book called The Holy Spirit: The Need. Our next call is Carl listening from Canada. Carl, welcome to the program.

Carl: Good night, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my call.

Jean: Yes, sir. How can we help you?

Carl: Yes. My question is in respect of Luke 22:36. I was listening to what may have been a religious broadcast. The gentlemen were saying that Luke 22:36 means that Jesus wanted His disciples to be armed. It says something about selling your cloak and buying a sword. Is it a literal sword or he talking about the word with symbolic language, as opposed to literally them arming themselves with the weapons of the beast?

Doug: All right, good question. Let me read this for our friends. Chris is speaking. I'll start with verse 37. He said, "I say to you, that which is written is going to be accomplished." Well, I'm sorry, let me go to 36. "Now he who has no money, let him take it, and likewise, a knapsack and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." Then in verse 30, the disciples said, "Look, Lord, here are two swords." He said to them, "It is enough."

Now, the way that really translates from the Greek is Jesus said, "Enough of this." When Christ was saying, sell his garment and buy a sword. He wasn't recommending that the disciples arm themselves, because later when Peter pulls out a sword, and that's in Matthew, I think, He says, "Put your sword away. He that lives by the sword will perish by the sword."

Jesus told them not to use swords. What does it mean when he said, "He that has a garment, let him sell it and buy a sword."? He meant, do everything you can to arm yourself with the Word of God. Christ said, "I did not come to send peace but a sword." He meant that the sword sometimes, the Word of God divides, the Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword.

The question is, what does Jesus mean in verse 38? That's in Luke 22. When they said, "Look, Lord, we have two swords." He said, "It is enough." He said, "Enough of this." You don't get it. For example, Jesus takes the disciples, He's going across the Sea of Galilee, and He said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees." They said, "Oh, man, we forgot lunch again. What's he talking about?"

Jesus said, "If you don't get it, I'm not talking about bread. I'm not talking about lunch. I'm talking about the teachings of the Pharisees." Jesus sometimes speaks in metaphors. He was speaking in a metaphor here. He wasn't suggesting that we take up swords. If Jesus wanted us to take swords and defend them, He wouldn't have given himself, He would have used his own power to defend himself.

He wouldn't have told the disciples, "Put away your swords." I am pretty certain that Jesus here is speaking in a symbolic term. Now, this is a whole different issue of, is it wrong or right for Christians to own a weapon to defend their home? I'm just saying in this verse, to say that Jesus was telling Christians, arm yourself. I don't think that's what this verse is all about.

Jean: Matter of fact, a little later on, you read about the time Peter did take out his sword to try and fight off the Romans that came to arrest Jesus. Jesus said, "Put away the sword. He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword." He's not telling the disciples to get weapons for some sort of an assault on the Romans.

Doug: All right. Hey, thank you so much, Carl. Appreciate your question tonight. Hope that helps a little bit.

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Jean: Next caller that we have is Patrick listening in Massachusetts. Patrick, welcome to the program.

Patrick: Hello, Doug and Pastor Ross. How are you guys?

Jean: Good.

Doug: Good.

Patrick: I listen to your show all the time and I've always given everybody your channel, no matter where I go as well as sharing the gospel.

Doug: Thank you.

Patrick: The one I really like is the Cosmic Conflict devil.

Doug: Good.

Patrick: That's something that I really needed to hear and to share that to other people.

Doug: Just while we're on it, did you see our latest DVD called, Kingdoms in Time?

Patrick: Yes, I got that one. Yes, when you guys got it out I got that right away. That's awesome. I like that.

Doug: I agree. Your question?

Patrick: I got my family in Philippines that when you guys were there, I was sharing then your channel as well.

Doug: Amen. Amen.

Patrick: The question is, I was reading on the Bible and I came across to Matthew 19:9. I believe it says that if you divorce your wife or anything other than sexual immorality, and you marry another commits adultery. I'm in a bind now because I divorced my wife not for sexual immorality, but for something else. Now, I'm currently married to my wife for three years and I stumbled to this, and I'm like, "Oh-oh, I'm in big trouble." What do I do?

Doug: I can't comment on whether you had biblical grounds for your first divorce or remarriage. You're really saying, "What do I do now?" We read a scripture earlier tonight in Deuteronomy that says, "If you've divorced your first wife and you've remarried, you can't now divorce your present wife and go back to your first wife." What you do, like take the story of King David.

David does something he sins, he commits adultery with Bathsheba, then he has her husband killed, and then he marries her. Then he's confronted with what he's done. What's he supposed to do now? Divorce Bathsheba and leave her a widow? No, he kept her as his wife, he repented of his sin. I heard a pastor say one time, "You cannot unscramble scrambled eggs."

Sometimes you've made a mistake, and you just have to pray that God will forgive. There's going to be consequences for all of our decisions we make, but you can't always untangle those knots. It's like they say, you love your present wife, try to be a faithful Christian husband, learn from any mistakes of the past, if you have children from your former marriage, you need to care for them. You need to move on where you are now.

Jean: We have a book that does address this called, Marriage, Divorce, and Remarriage. I think you'll find that helpful, Patrick. All you'll have to do is just give us a call on our resource phone line. The number is 800-835-6747 and you can ask for the book on Marriage, Divorce and Remarriage. It gives you all the different Bible texts relating to the subject. I think you'll find that helpful. Again, 800-835-6747. We've got Tom listening in South Carolina. Tom, welcome to the program.

Tom: Oh, hello there.

Doug: Hi, how are we doing?

Tom: I'm doing okay. My question is I retired from my part-time job at a grocery store. I would go 100 hours a month. My question is, I pay tithe but I don't pay offering anymore because I didn't have the money. I was wondering, should we pay the offering? I gave the and I gave a couple other things. Should we continue paying offering and let God supply, or should we not pay anything?

Doug: Of course, you're making the right decision to faithfully return your tithe. There's a promise in Malachi 3, that if we bring our tithes into the storehouse, that God will open the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing and bless us. Sometimes we don't know how he's going to do that. He surprises us every time. God promises if we're faithful that he will take care of us.

Now, I can't tell you what you should do as far as offering is concerned, but there in Malachi it says, "Bring the tithes and offerings into the storehouse." Tithe is a specified amount. God says a 1/10 of your increase. Offerings is different. It's something that each man purposes in his heart, as it says in, I think it's 1 Corinthians. You might try put God to the test.

The Lord says in Malachi chapter eight, He says, "Prove me. You might try, just say, "Lord, I don't know how I'm going to afford it, but I'm going to make an offering this month, to my church," or wherever you choose and say, "Lord, you're going to now bless the remainder." See if God does something extraordinary for you to supply. Now, we have a free lesson we can send you Tom on the subject of tithes and offerings. It's called In God We Trust. We'd be willing to send that to you for free, or anyone who wants more information on this subject.

Jean: The reference that you're referring to is 2 Corinthians 9:7. Talks about, let each one give as he purposes in his heart not grudgingly, or of necessity for God loves a cheerful giver. If you'd like to get that study guide, talking about finance and money, and what the Bible says the number is 800-835-6747. That is the resource phone line and just asked for the study guide called In God We Trust. We're happy to send that to anyone who calls and asks. We've got Robert listening from Walla Walla, Washington. Robert, welcome to the program.

Robert: Hello Pastor Ross?

Jean: Hi. You're there, Robert? Robert, in Walla Walla, are you there?

Doug: He may have hit the mute button. It looks like you're still on, but we don't hear you.

Jean: Let's try one more time.

Robert: Hello?

Jean: Yes, we can hear you now.

Doug: Your question?

Robert: I just was saying welcome back.

Doug: Thank you.

Robert: Last time we talked, we talked about the spirit and how its breath. I just was wanting to know that's not the same thing as in 1st Peter 3:18, or is it where there's spirits in prison that Jesus is preaching to?

Doug: Correct. It is different. There's times and you have to read the context. When he talks about spirits in prison, he's talking about people, he's not talking about breath in prison. He's talking about those who lived in the days before Noah, that God through the Spirit spoke to them. It says when once the long-suffering of God waded in the day of Noah. There's a few times where the word spirit is used to talk about individuals. There's even some times where the word soul is used, not talking about a person's spirit or person, even an animal. It means any life. Says, "All the souls in the sea died." You're talking about 1 Peter 3: roughly 18 through 22?

Robert: Right. Can you name any verses that talk about a human being, a spirit, besides that one?

Jean: I think one verse talks about the spirit that is a man, those the thoughts of man.

Doug: Actually I think I read one tonight in the beginning of the program where I was talking about Job. It says, "There is in spirit man and the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding." There it's not just the breath, it's talking about, he's got an understanding.

Jean: There's several actually when you look in Proverbs. I looked up spirit and says, the spirit of man will sustain him in sickness, but who can bear a broken spirit. Then it talks about a man's pride will bring him low, but a humble spirit will retain honor. The word spirit is used in different contexts.

Doug: Right. I think even Paul talks about the mind and the spirit. Sometimes it's this ethereal essence of God in man. We do have a book, maybe Robert has read that already, where we talk about the dead, are they really dead? It talks about the three definitions for the Holy Spirit in Hebrew and Greek.

Jean: Yes, if you'd like to receive that, anyone, Robert or anyone listening just call our resource phone line. The number again is 800-835-6747. Ask for the study guide entitled, Are the Dead Really Dead? Again, 800-835-6747. We've got Nick listening from Michigan. Nick, welcome to the program.

Nick: Hi, can you hear me okay?

Doug: Really well, it's like you're in the next room. Your question?

Nick: I have a friend who's struggling with the whole concept of Jesus being God, and also being the son of God, and being the same as God. All that. Can you explain it?

Doug: There's some mystery to it. I won't pretend that I can explain it all because the Bible talks about the incarnation is something somewhat mysterious, but I can show you scriptures that tell us that Jesus is God. First of all, the Bible says, in the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. Everyone agrees that's the big God that made everything. Then you go to the New Testament, it says that all things were made through Christ, the word.

If God made everything in the beginning and then it says that all things are made through the word or Jesus, Jesus must be God. Bible says, "Only God the thoughts of men's hearts," but it tells us Jesus knew what was in man. Several times Jesus read the minds of the people that were around him and told them what they were thinking. If only God can do that, then Jesus must be God.

The Bible tells us that there is only one savior, that is God. Well, Jesus is a savior, he must be God. Bible tells us we should worship God, only God. It's one of the 10 Commandments. Tells us even the angels worship Jesus. Well, if Jesus received worship from angels and humans, and God says we should only worship God, He must be God. As you go through the Bible and you look at all the definitions of God, Jesus can be dropped right into all of those definitions.

Nick: Thank you. That makes a lot of sense.

Doug: I've got a book. I just gave you a thumbnail sketch, the tip of the iceberg. I'll send you a free book on that, and it's a new book I just wrote on the Trinity. If you ask for my new book on the Trinity, I have a whole section that talks about, is Jesus God?

Jean: The number to call for that is 800-835-6747, and you can just ask for the book on the Trinity. I think it's called, Trinity; Is It Biblical? Something like that or you to take sometime.

Doug: Well, One God or Three?

Jean: Oh, okay. [crosstalk] [laughs]

Doug: We've got two books.

Jean: One God or Three? The number to call for that 800-835-6747. We have Wayde, calling from North Dakota. Wayde, welcome to the program.

Wayde: Yes, thank you. Thanks for taking my question. My question is how do we distinguish between promises and statements, and then between the Old Testament and New Testament. You brought up a good one with the Malachi one. There's one there in Ephesians, where it says, God is able to, above and beyond do anything that you ask or think of. Now, is that just a statement that doesn't say He will? How do you distinguish between promises and statements when you have a specific situation and you're looking for scriptures and everybody says, "Well, you can claim the promises." Okay, He promised the Israelis that He would get them out of Egypt after 400 years, so that doesn't apply to me. [laughs]

Doug: Well, in a sense it does. In a way, He saved them from Egypt, He saves us from the slavery to sin. He delivered them from the Pharaoh, he delivers us from the Devil. They went through the Red Sea and we get baptized and then they were baptized in a pillar of fire, we're baptized in the Holy Spirit. The whole Exodus experience actually has a great analogy for salvation.

Back to your question, first of all, there are a number of promises in God that don't become valid like a check, unless you take it to the bank. If you are praying and you need some special help, like when God says, He's exceedingly able to help you abundantly above all that you could ask or think, you can get on your knees by your bed, open your Bible, put your finger on that verse and say, "Lord, I've got a problem, can you help me with this?"

I've always seen God come through when He makes a promise in His word, if we meet the conditions, Bible says if we're turning away our ear from hearing His law, then our prayer's an abomination. He doesn't promise carte blanche answers to people that are living in a rebellion.

If we surrender to the Lord and we love Him, the Bible says whatsoever things we ask, we receive of Him because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. Lot of promises. Peter says, I forgot where it is, I read it this week, exceeding precious promises that by these we might become partaker of the divine nature. Just a lot of promises in the word.

Jean: That's 2nd Peter 1-4.

Doug: 2nd Peter 1-4, there's a promise right there. Memorize the promises of God. You know what? I almost hate to admit this, but I've been surprised when you just go to even Google and you type in "Bible Promises" on this or that, it categorizes them and it gives you lists of 40 Bible promises on forgiveness. 50 Bible promises on this. So many people have done studies on this and it's all over the internet, you can find Bible promises in categories just by searching it and so it's wonderful. Then it gives you the scriptures, you go back to your Bible.

Jean: We also have some resources on Bible promises at the Amazing Facts website. Search

Doug: There you go, Wayde. Hey, I hope that helps a little bit and I wonder is it still warm in North Dakota? All right, who's next Pastor Ross? We have time for-- We don't have time.

Jean: We've got 30 seconds.

Doug: All right, friends. That looks like it's time for us to tell you it's been a blessing. Make sure and go to, the Amazing Facts website, and keep tuning in. You're going to see the studio here, where we're doing the program, go through some transitions. We've just moved into some rooms with sheetrock, but it's all getting unpacked and put together. If you go, you'll be able to listen to a lot of our Bible answer programs from before. Remember, we're all faith-based so we appreciate whatever you can do to keep us on the air. God bless.



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