The Bridge Between

The Bridge Between

Date: 11/17/2019 
In this episode of Bible Answers Live, listen to the pastors search God's Word to guide callers through topics such as the age of accountability/ children's salvation, premarital sex and spiritual Israel, among other subjects.
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Pastor Doug Batchelor: Hello friends? Would you like to hear an amazing fact? In 2018, China celebrated the opening of the Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau Bridge, the bridge and tunnel linking Hong Kong to mainland China via Macau. It opened in 2018. It now claims the title as the world's longest sea bridge. The vast structure stretches more than 34 miles through the Pearl River Delta is going to be servicing 11 cities around the bay that are home to a combined 68 million people. Because it's such a busy shipping area, a section of the colossal bridge plunges underwater, turning into a four-mile-long tunnel via two man-made islands. The structure is an unparalleled engineering feat 20 times the length of the Golden Gate Bridge.

Builders used about 1 million cubic yards of cement to help withstand earthquakes and the seasonal typhoons that often tear through the region. The mammoth project began in 2009 yet because of delays and safety concerns, 19 men died during the construction. It took nearly 10 years to complete at an estimated $20 billion. Mankind is often paid dearly to build bridges between cities but God paid even more to build a bridge between heaven and earth. Stay with us, friends, we're going to learn more on this edition of Bible Answers Live.


Pastor Jean Ross: You're listening to Bible Answers Live. Honest answers to your Bible questions. This broadcast is a previously recorded episode. To receive any of the Bible resources mentioned in this evening's program, call 800-835-6747. Once again, that's 800-835-6747. Now, let's join our host, Pastor Doug Batchelor, and our co-host, Pastor Jean Ross.

Doug: Welcome, listening friend, to Bible Answers Live and if you have any Bible questions, we invite you over the next hour to give us a call. It is a free phone call if you want to call in with your Bible question or questions about living the Christian life, we will search the word together. My name is Doug Batchelor.

Jean: My name is Jean Ross and, Pastor Doug, we also want to welcome those who are joining us on Facebook this evening. We know we have folks who tune in around the world and if you've never joined us on Facebook, you're welcome to do so. It's at the Doug Batchelor Facebook page and also at the Amazing Facts Facebook page. You can just join us here and see what's happening in the studio and participate in the program. Let's start the program with prayer.

Dear Father, once again, we thank you that we have this opportunity to study the Bible. Lord, we ask for your guidance. We pray for the Holy Spirit to be with us here in Sacramento but also around the world for those who are listening. Lead us, Lord, into a clearer and full understanding of your word and your will. For we ask this in Jesus name, amen.

Doug: Amen.

Jean: Pastor Doug, you opened the program by talking about a very, very long bridge, actually the longest sea bridge in the world. Now, I know you have and I have we've driven on some rather long bridges in different places around the world but to have a bridge that long, not only is it above water but then it plunges into a tunnel that actually goes under the water. It's quite an incredible feat.

Doug: That's amazing. It's easy to see that the Chinese built a wall 1,500 miles long 1,500 years ago. [chuckles] They like building colossal projects like the Three Gorges Dam. Actually, the longest bridge in the world is also in China. It's 102 miles long, but it's over freshwater. It's got pylons, and it's pretty even. Reminds me of the bridge between the Florida Keys and Key West. Just to build this sea bridge where you get the typhoons coming and connect the mainland like that and you just think about it 68 million people live around that bay. [chuckles] It's hard to comprehend. When you consider like San Francisco Bay, it's maybe 8 million people.

This is 68 million people. It's pretty incredible but you think about the bridges and it makes me think about one of the most incredible bridges is the one that bridged heaven and earth. That bridge was built out of across. God so loved the world, He sent His Son to connect us and give us that hope, that opportunity to pass from this life into heaven and into eternity. We have a free offer tonight. Friends, if you have not made that decision to accept that gift of everlasting life and the new heart that Jesus offers, we'd like you to take advantage of our offer tonight.

Jean: The book, again, it's called The High Cost of the Cross and we want to send this to anyone who would call and ask the number is 800-835-6747. Tonight, you want to be sure to call that resource number 800-835-6747. Ask for the book, it's a free offer. It's called The High Cost of the Cross. We'll send this to anyone who calls and asks. We're going to go to our first caller this evening, we have Dennis is listening in Arizona. Dennis, welcome to the program.

Dennis: Thank you. Good evening.

Jean: Evening.

Dennis: My question is, what about the people who have never heard about the--

Doug: I think we lost Dennis there. Dennis, if you're listening, it looks like we might have had a little bit of a computer glitch, and look like the call dropped off there for a second.

Jean: I think that the screener had actually typed out the call and what Dennis was asking, I trust, he's still listening, what about the people in the world who had not heard about Jesus? Does that mean they're all automatically lost? It's a very good question, you got to answer it carefully because, first of all, Peter tells us in the book of Acts, I think it's chapter four, that there is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved. Let's make it clear right at the beginning. If anybody's saved, they're going to be in heaven because of Jesus. Can a Christian then say, all those millions of people that may have lived in Australia, or Africa or North America--

Doug: Or even the masses in China we're talking about.

Jean: Yes. They'd never heard about Jesus for 1,000s of years that all of them are lost. I think you've got to be very careful not to say that because Jesus does say, the hours coming in which all that are in the graves, we'll hear his voice, and come forth, they that have done good, the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, the resurrection of damnation. Now, it's not that a person is saved by doing good, we're only saved by the grace of God but there are people who through their life, they have lived up to the light they had, they've walked in the voice of the Holy Spirit. We know that angels have visited people who maybe never heard the gospel before.

The Lord has ways of sharing the gospel and sharing himself with you. Now, let me give you some other scripture. When Jesus began his ministry, and he preached in Nazareth, he started the sermon by saying, there were many lepers in the land in the days of Elisha but none of them was cleansed, except Naaman the Syrian, meaning here is a non-Jew, yet God works a miracle for him. Then he says there were many widows in the land in the days of Elijah but Elijah wasn't sent to any of the Israeli widows.

He was sent to a Phoenician widow. He worked a miracle of a resurrection for her, just like Elisha worked a miracle of healing from leprosy for Naaman. Jesus is saying, be careful not to say because we're Jews, or because we're Christians, that God never works with or heals, or saves or answers prayers of people who maybe don't know all about the Lord. You've got that woman at the well in Samaria. She's a Samaritan, which the Jews just scorned and yet Jesus revealed to her he was the Messiah.

Then you have the story of the Good Samaritan that Christ said, "This man is the one that God used to show mercy." I think there are people that, of course, truth sets people free, and the people are living in darkness and it's so urgent that missionaries go and share Jesus and salvation but I think we need to stop short of saying, if people haven't heard if they're living in one of these, what we call a dark country, that all of them are lost through history.

Doug: I'm reminded of verse find in John 1:9 talking of Jesus, it says, he's the light which gives light to every man that comes into the world. It seems the Holy Spirit is speaking to the hearts of all men. How they respond to that, I think is very important. Some people are living up to all the light that they might have. If you were listening to the program a few moments ago, or at least you're on the phone waiting to ask your question, and then you got dropped off, we will encourage you to call back. We had a little software glitch, but it looks like everything is up and running.

Jean: We're in California, they just cut the power now and then.

Doug: We get used to that. [laughs]

Jean: You were without power for?

Doug: Several days, actually. More than once. If you have a Bible question, again, the number to call is 800-463-7297. That'll get your call into the program and we'll try and get your question on tonight's program. I did see one of the callers that had called in it typed out a brief question. They had a question on the book of Ezra 2:13. It's an interesting verse and it says, the people of Adonikam, 666.

Now, I'm just speculating, the person calling in with a question is thinking, "Well, that's interesting. 666. You don't see that number too often in the Bible. We know that number appears in Revelation as an identifying number for the antichrist's beast power." Maybe they're asking, "Here's another example of 666. What does that mean?" I can only speculate, first of all, I think we've got to be careful not to read too much in it because if you give enough random numbers, you're going to come up with 666. Look, that number is surrounded by a lot of other numbers and it's a numbering people that had come back with Ezra to Jerusalem.

It says the family of Adonikam and the word Adonikam, it's similar to the Hebrew name for God, Adonai. They're 666. If you're at a football stadium and all the seats are numbered, one of those seats is going to be 666. That doesn't mean you've got the mark of the beast if you sit in that seat.

Jean: The name Adonikam, which was the leader of this group that came, the name literally means, my Lord is risen. I was just looking at the translation . That is an interesting name that you find in the Old Testament, my Lord is risen.

Doug: Yes, that is something.

Jean: An allusion to Christ being risen from the dead. That's what the disciples said. All right, we're ready for our next caller. We have Becky listening in Michigan. Becky, welcome to the program.

Becky: Hello, Pastor Doug, how are you?

Doug: Good, Becky. Thank you for calling.

Becky: From a Biblical point, what is persecution? What do you do about it?

Doug: Jesus says in the Beatitudes, "Pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you, that you might be the children of your Father in heaven, who sends the sunshine and the rain on the just and the unjust." Now, that's easier said than done, but it's hard to be angry at people when you're praying for them. If you're a believer and you're being persecuted for righteousness' sake, Jesus tells us in the Beatitudes, "Rejoice because they persecuted the prophets before you." If you keep in mind that lost people, hopefully, it's not safe people that are persecuting you, but if people are lost, they're going to act lost.

Christians aren't just to love the saved. Jesus said, "You got to love the lost even if they're mean." He even said you need to love your enemy. Again, I'm saying, that's easier said than done. Like everyone else, I've had people that have said and done some pretty unkind things and the Lord convicts me. Instead of conjuring terrible scenarios that might happen to them, I need to pray for them and their salvation. You can only do that with the grace of God.

Jean: We do have a book that deals with the subject and I think you'll find this encouraging, Becky. If you'd call and ask, it's called The Brook Dried Up. Then there's a sub-question that says, Why do Christians suffer? It actually deals with your very question, what happens when one faces trials and difficulties or is being persecuted by someone else? Of course, it builds on the story of Elijah who faced persecution. We'll be happy to send that to you. All you'll have to do, Becky, is just call our resource line, and that number is 800-835-6747.

Again, ask for the book, When The Book Dried Up, and we'll be happy to send it to anyone who calls and asks. Anyone who needs encouragement if you're going through some trials, that is a great book. If you have a Bible question, our phone line here to the studio is 800-463-7297. I'm going to say it again. If you've got a pencil or pen, you're ready to write it down, 800-463-7297 with your Bible question. If you don't get through right away, don't give up, keep calling and you'll get onto the program this evening.

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Jean: Next caller that we have is it looks like we got Juan listening in Washington. Juan, welcome to the program. Oh, he's not ready yet. All right, let's go to Dan. Dan in Southwest Oklahoma. Dan, welcome to the program.

Dan: Yes.

Doug: Hi, thanks for calling. You're on the air.

Dan: The fellow that called in wanting to know what would happen to the people that hadn't heard the gospel--

Doug: Yes.

Dan: If you look in Revelation 14:6, it says, "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth and to every nation and kindred and tongue and people." Everyone will hear the gospel, so they will have no excuse.

Doug: Jesus says in Matthew 24 that the gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world for witness to all nations. Now, of course, I think the person was asking what about before the Gospel is preached? Let's suppose you go back 200 years and you say, "What about people that were living in the Brazilian jungle that maybe never heard about Jesus. Are they all automatically lost?"

I was saying that it's very important, most people without God are lost, but we've got to stop short of saying that God is not able to save them through some other means, besides a human preacher. God can speak to people through angels and through His Spirit and we got to be careful not to judge, but I appreciate your question your comment, Dennis. Revelation 14:6 is a great passage.

Jean: Okay, we've got Juan listening in Washington. Juan, welcome to the program.

Juan: Yes, sir.

Jean: Your question.

Juan: When Jesus was a baby, there was a decree ordered by the king to murder all the babies. How come John the Baptist wasn't persecuted or the Bible doesn't say anything about him?

Doug: Because John the Baptist wasn't necessarily born in Bethlehem. King Herod, when he interviewed the Wisemen, they said, "We've been guided by the star to Jerusalem." Then Herod interviews the priest and says, "Where is the Messiah supposed to come from?" They quoted the prophecy out of Bethlehem. He didn't kill all the babies throughout Jerusalem or Judea. He just killed the babies two years old and under, male babies around Bethlehem. John the Baptist, I don't think we read anywhere. He wasn't born or lived in Bethlehem.

Juan: Thank you so much, pastor.

Doug: All right, good question. Thank you so much. One of the interesting things about that is that's the third time that the devil tried to wipe out Jesus by murdering baby boys. In Egypt, he thought a savior was coming and so they were trying to exterminate all of the Hebrew children. Back during the time of Ahab, the daughter of Ahab, Athaliah, killed all of the descendants of David. She tried, she missed one, even the babies, because the devil heard the Messiah was going to come through the line of David, but they missed Jehoash.

Going into Bethlehem and killing the baby boys, it's like the third time in history the devil tried to prevent the Savior from coming by annihilating the baby boys. By the way, then you got a revelation and a dragon's trying to devour a woman bringing for the baby.

Jean: The next caller that we have, it looks like we've got Abraham listening from San Antonio, Texas. Abraham, welcome to the program.

Doug: Abraham, you're on the air. Abraham, can you hear us? Sometimes they got the mute on.

Jean: All right, we might go back to him in just a second. Let's see, we got Dan in South Carolina. Dan, welcome to the program. You're on the air.

Dan: Hi, good evening.

Doug: Good evening.

Dan: I've had a question for a long time. When did the original requirement come from that there had to be blood sacrifice for sin in the Old Testament? I know that through Moses and the requirement for that, but even before then, when did that requirement?

Doug: The specific command is not seen, but you see it by circumstantial evidence that it must have been given to Adam. I think Revelation talks about the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. When Adam and Eve sinned, they tried to cover their nakedness with fig leaves and God said that won't work and it says God gave them skins.

Now, in order to get skin, an animal had to die. We believe that the Lord established the sacrificial system way back there in the Garden of Eden. Another reason is the children of Adam and Eve, like Abel, he brought a lamb sacrifice and God accepted his sacrifice. Adam must have been instructed, and then, of course, Abraham offered sacrifice and all the patriarchs, it talks about them.

Jean: Of course, you'll find that in Genesis 4. It talks about verse 4, where it says, "Abel brought the firstborn of his flocks and offered that as a sacrifice." Then there's also a reference that some have made and it makes sense. After Adam and Eve sinned, first of all, they tried to hide their nakedness with fig leaves, but then the Lord made coats of skin to cover them. Some have suggested maybe at that point we had the first animal sacrifice.

Doug: Certainly, when you get to the story of Noah, Noah was told to take the clean animals. That would mean not only clean for food but clean for sacrifice by servants. The first thing Noah does after the ark safely lands is he offers a sacrifice to the Lord. We see it in the Garden of Eden, you don't actually have a record of what God commands, but you can see the evidence of it there and then, of course, Abel and onward. Hope that helps, Dan. Appreciate your question.

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Jean: We're going to go back to Abraham in San Antonio, Texas. Abraham, you're on air.

Abraham: Can you hear me?

Doug: We can.

Abraham: All right. Sounds good. Good evening, Pastor Batchelor. My question is, did God replace the Jewish people with the gentile church?

Doug: Well, no. What God did is He grafted believers who are gentiles into the Jewish church. It's a very different thing in replacement theology. Paul says, "He that is Christ's is Abraham seed, Jew or gentile."

He's not disqualifying the Jews because Paul then says, "Salvation comes to the Jew first then also the gentile." I do think that there's a pretty strong case that every gentile who becomes a Christian technically becomes at least a spiritual Jew because the Bible tells us, "Many will come from the east and the west, meaning the gentiles, and sit down in the kingdom with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."

Believers, it's no longer physical circumcision. Paul says, "It's circumcision of the heart." Paul's actually quoting Moses. He is the first one to use the expression circumcision of the heart because he knew that was the important thing. God does not save anybody based on their bloodline. You see great patriarchs in the Bible Abraham, Adam, and Eve had good son, bad son.

David had some good kids and some bad kids. No one was saved by bloodline. The Bible says, "The father does not save for the son or the son for the father." Everyone has to have a personal relationship with the Lord, but he did commit to the Jewish nation the oracles of God. That's in Romans somewhere. I can't remember.

Jean: We also have a reference in Romans 11:17. I think that's the reference you have, pastor. The Bible says, "And if some of the branches were broken off and you being a wild olive tree were grafted in among them and with them became partakers of the root and the fatness of the olive tree." Now, of course, Paul is writing here to the gentiles and says that they're the ones who are grafted in. Then he goes on to explain how some of the branches were cut off meaning the Jews who rejected the Messiah, who rejected Christ. You have this grafting in. If you have belief, then you are Abraham's seed according to the promise.

Doug: Yes.

Jean: All right. Well, by the way, I just thought, pastor, you've got sermons here. I think it's available on YouTube where you talk about Spiritual Israel.

Doug: Yes. Well, I did a series with Steve Wohlberg and Jeff Zaremsky talking about is it kosher for a Jew to be a Christian [chuckles], or was Jesus kosher for the Jews? They can see that online. We curated Amazing Facts and also have that sermon book called Spiritual Israel that they can get by calling in or find it online.

Jean: If you like to receive the book, the number to call is 800-835-6747. That is the resource online. Again, you can ask for the book called Spiritual Israel and we'll be happy to send it out to anyone who calls and asks.

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Jean: Let's see. We have Bill listening from Sacramento. Bill, we have about one minute before the break. Bill, your question?

Bill: Hello.

Jean: Yes, you're on air.

Bill: Okay. I had a question about Samson. I was just concerned. I was wondering if you could consider his death a justified suicide.

Doug: Well, I don't know. Technically, you could argue was a suicide, but Samson knew they brought him into the Temple of Dagon. They were probably going to kill him that day. They were making sport of him. He basically laid his life down. If you see a soldier in a battle that is laying his life down to save other soldiers, well, if he jumps on a hand grenade to save his friends, is it a suicide?

You could say it is, but it's also really a sacrifice. Samson was giving himself to save God's people from their enemies. When he pushed down the building, he knew the Philistines had been oppressing his people. He basically gave his life to give one final stroke to the enemy.

Bill: Yes. The tower fails well. I feel like he was just the chosen vessel of God.

Doug: Yes, well, of course, Samson made a lot of problems misusing the gifts that God had given him but, in the end, he, of course, repented and he was filled with the Holy Spirit. Then in Hebrews 11, Samson is mentioned as listed among the saves. Bill, we think Samson is going to be in the kingdom. He repented of his sin. He wept. Hey, friends, we taking a brief break. We do have lines open, call. Second half is sometimes the best. 800-463-7297. Be right back.


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Doug: Welcome back, listening friends, to Bible Answers Live. If you've ever wanted to ask a Bible question, maybe you're embarrassed and you think, "Oh, this is silly." Don't be surprised, friends. A lot of people out there are probably having the same question in their mind, so don't be bashful. Give us a call. Lines are open, 800-463-7297. We welcome any questions about the Bible, the Word of God, or living the Christian life. I am Doug Batchelor.

Jean: My name is Jean Ross. Our next call is calling from Folsom, Sacramento. Actually, from Folsom near Sacramento. Caller, are you on the air? Calling from Folsom, Sacramento.

Doug: Can you hear us? You're on the air.

Caller: Hello?

Doug: Yes, welcome.

Caller: Oh, hi. I wanted to ask real quick because I just found your station. I've never called before. What do you do or can you give me scripture, when your husband and son aren't walking the way they're supposed to be walking? Maybe you can give me some scripture as far as they have made a vow to God, they've accepted Him as their Savior, but how-- I think your screener put it best. She did it for me. Can you read that and figure out what I'm trying to say? [laughs]

Doug: They don't read their Bible or go to church, but they say they're Christians, and so how can you as a wife and mother try to encourage them?

Caller: Yes.

Doug: One verse that comes to mind is-- Let me just tell you, there's three things that you can do for those you love you want to reach. There's only three things, but they're three powerful things. One is, if they're open, share information. That could be in the form of a Bible study, a Christian book, a website, a DVD. Something that has spiritual information that they'll listen to or look at that will encourage them. If they're open, say, "You need to watch this." People are often moved by testimonies or Bible studies. After you do that, whether they will accept that or not, you do your best. Then the other thing is you pray.

Prayer is, of course, very powerful. In a lot of examples of intercessory prayer in the Bible, you need to do that persistently. I guess that's the fourth thing, is do all these things persistently. The third thing would be, be an example. You witness with your life. Now, here's a verse for you. In 1 Peter 3, wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands that if any does not obey the word, they can, without a word, be one, by the conduct of the wives when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. That is really addressing a husband-wife relationship, but it's basically saying, through your example is another powerful witness. Maybe Pastor Ross has some other ideas.

Jean: I'm always encouraged when we have these kind of questions. I think of a few examples that I know of where a wife prayed fervently for her husband for many years. It seemed like he just wasn't responding, but just by example of being a true godly woman, near the end of his life, he actually gave his life fully to the Lord. He was actually baptized.

I remember, at his baptism, he gave the testimony and he said that the reason I'm getting baptized today is because of the faithful examples given by my wife. Of course, she was just thrilled that he had finally made the decision, but just her faithfulness, even though sometimes it was difficult, it eventually paid off, so you never know.

Doug: That's right. You got to be patient.

Caller: Oh, boy, am I 20 years patient.


I'm doing all three of those things you all said and I am making sure that I am representing the integrity, the character, and all of those things that go along with being that example like you had mentioned, because I'm doing it out of the Lord, what He says in that scripture, what you said, and also, as an example to them, my husband. What I expect from him, I'm also doing. I'm not saying, "Oh, you should do this and do this and this," but I'm not doing it. I'm a wife that never nag. I never say anything.

Jean: That's a good example. Live your faith.

Caller: I just let him do what he wants, but you know what I'm saying.

Doug: Within reason, right. I know what you're saying. Yes, don't be afraid, every now and then, you've got a couple of extremes. You got one extreme of the wife that nags and that actually can drive a man or a wife nagged by her husband, it can drive them away, then you can be so tolerant, that they're almost surprised by you not having any expectations.

Every now and then, if the door opens, you might want to say, "I just want you to know, as you know, it would mean so much to me if you'd go to church with me," or, "We've got this special in our program happening," or, "I read this," and just say, "This really inspired me, you might like it." Just every now and then a gentle reminder of what they probably already know, is, I think, very helpful.

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Jean: We have Laura listening in Maryland. Laura, welcome to the program.

Laura: Hi. Hi.

Doug: Hi, thanks for calling.

Laura: No problem. I have a question. For infant to toddler ages, the young children, what does the Bible say about their faith as far as salvation? I know there are people who say that it's based off the lives of the parents, but I just wanted to know, what does the Bible say about their salvation? If they die, unfortunately, at an early age, maybe three years or two years, and still innocent?

Doug: Yes, that is a great question. It's also, in a way, a tough question. I think it's in, Pastor Ross, is it 1 Corinthians 7, where it says that the children are sanctified by the believing parent? You might look there for me. That's one verse. Now, the Bible is pretty clear that children before the age of accountability-- the Bible doesn't say, "Well, when they reach 12," because the age of accountability is determined by their understanding. That may vary from child to child. I think we all know, some people, because it may be a mental challenge, they act like children in their 30s.

They just never grow up and God probably treats them if they've got some kind of handicap, treats them like children. If a child dies before the age of accountability, they're not punished for the sins they may commit, because they're doing it just by nature. They may not know the consequences. The Bible says sin is knowing to do good and not doing it.

Jean: Yes. 1 Corinthians 7:14. That's the reference there. One of the I'd wanted to add, pastor, that we have that passage in Jeremiah, Jeremiah 31:16. That actually was quoted with reference to the destruction of the little baby boys at the time of Christ's birth. It's actually quoting the Old Testament prophecy in Jeremiah 31:16. It says, "The children shall return from the land of the enemy." You have a reference there to the resurrection for all of those little babies that were killed. That does also give us the understanding that before the age of accountability, based upon the parents, there is hope at the resurrection for them.

Doug: There is one--

Laura: Okay, so--

Doug: Go ahead. I'm sorry.

Laura: I'm sorry. No, no, I was just clarifying. It has to do with the age, if they don't reach the age of accountability and also the parents? Yes? If I understood correctly?

Doug: Yes. There is one verse, someone might want to know then. Does that mean that--- Child mortality is the highest of any group. Does that mean every child who dies before the age of accountability around the world throughout history automatically is in heaven? A lot of scholars stopped short of that. They definitely won't be punished, but it's like in the book of Job, I think it's in chapter three he talks about, he's cursing the day of his birth. He said, "Might I be like a child, a stillborn infant that had not been."

There may be some that will be as though they have not been. We definitely know they're not being punished but, theoretically, if every child of every human that dies prior to the age of accountability is automatically in heaven, it would be a [chuckles] nursery. We don't know. All we know is that the Bible is clear that they're not going to be punished before they know. Anyway, hope that helps a little bit, Laura. That's a great question, a tough question too.

Jean: Next caller that we have is calling from New Jersey, we have Lenny. Lenny, welcome to the program.

Lenny: Hi?

Jean: Hi, how are you?

Lenny: I'm okay.

Jean: Your question.

Lenny: My question is based on the Sabbath School lesson. We saw that Nehemiah when he went back to Jerusalem to rebuild a wall and they were being opposed by the people, the surrounding nation. He asked the builders to carry a sword. They were working with a sword in one hand, and they were working with the other hand. Now I want to know if that was a good thing because they were doing God's work. Why didn't he just trust in God to take care of them? If that is a good thing, then as Christians today, we go up sometimes to witness and to do the Lord's work. So should we carry swords too or some kind of weapons to protect ourselves?

Doug: No. There's two different things. If you're engaged in a war, and this is talking about Nehemiah, they were going to be attacked by their neighbors and their only recourse was self-defense as a nation. You know, all of us cheer when we think about David going to fight against Goliath. We're all glad that David took a sling and then later he took Goliath's sword. David didn't go into battle and say, "I'm just going to go to Goliath." [chuckles] In turn he said, "I got to fight with a giant, I need a weapon."

He trusted the Lord, but he used the weapon. Now, if you're out doing mission work, that's where I think you pray and you say, "Lord, send angels to guard me." Because you certainly want to be out doing God's work in that way. That's a little different than when Nehemiah and the soldiers were building the wall. So if you're out doing Christian mission work, I think a lot of missionaries have just trusted in the Lord.

There's a really incredible book called Through the Gates of Splendor by Elizabeth Elliott. She talks about her husband that was killed as a missionary because he refused to use a weapon he had. They were in the jungle, so he had a weapon because there's jungle animals. He refused to use the weapon to save himself against the Aka Indians. Later, his wife ended up converting their murderers.

The disciples said, "Lord, we've got two swords," and he said, "Oh, you don't get the point. " Peter took out the sword to defend Jesus and Jesus said, "Put up your sword. He that lives by the sword will die by the sword." So if you're out doing Christian mission work, you want to be cautious. You're not being reckless and walking right into the mouth of the lion but I don't think you want to be involved doing mission work if you got to carry a 45, God could find somebody else [chuckles] to do mission with.

Jean: Pastor Doug, if I remember that story correctly, that you just mentioned, I think the son of the missionary that was killed, he ended up baptizing the one that killed his father.

Doug: Yes, he came back.

Jean: Incredible story. The next caller is Donna listening from Maryland. Donna, welcome to the program.

Donna: Hi, Pastor Doug.

Doug: Hi. Your question, how are you?

Donna: Hi. I'm doing well. Thank you. I need your help. My boyfriend and I made the decision to abstain from sex before marriage. At this point, he is seeing it as a problem. I was wondering if I can get help in scripture.

Doug: Absolutely.

Donna: What does the Bible have to say about abstaining from sex before marriage?

Doug: The whole idea of the Bible is pretty clear that the marriage was consummated by the right for a man and woman to be intimate. You've got the wedding of Jacob, where it wasn't until the end of the marriage that he went into the tent. He thought it was the tent of Rachel, it was Leah. [chuckles] Anyway, that's when it was actually consummated.

The book of Hosea talks about this. Jesus said that the only grounds for divorce is fornication, that's sex outside of marriage with someone other than the person you're committed to. If you read Acts 15, when the disciples went out preaching to the gentiles, they said, "We need to tell them to abstain from fornication."

Fornication meant sexual activity outside of the marriage covenant. Now, of course, one of the reasons for that is very practical. The reason for a husband and wife to be able to enjoy that is they're going to procreate. In many cases, they're going to have children. Until that covenant is made and the marriage ceremony is the ceiling of that covenant, men and women need to keep themselves pure. I'm not at all surprised that a lot of young men try and talk their girlfriends into saying, "Oh, we're already committed in our hearts, so we're married in our hearts before God."

I've heard that so many times, I can't believe it. It must be okay and then you know what? They break up before the wedding and then the girl feels violated. She's, "Why did I fall for that?" Be true, Donna, and you'll be thankful. Now we got a book we can offer you on that called Marriage, Divorce, and Remarriage. It does give scripture on the subject of sex and faithfulness.

Jean: Hey, if you'd like to receive the book, we'll be happy to send it to anyone who calls and ask. The number is 800-835-6747. The book is called Marriage, Divorce, and Remarriage. There's some practical biblical principles related to that subject. We'll be happy to send it to anyone.

Doug: Pastor Ross, I just want to say a word more because we don't get this question often but it is such an epidemic problem in our society, that the media makes sex look like shaking hands with someone you meet. It used to be something that was very sacred, a right that was restricted to the marriage. I can understand why young people are confused. There is an ever-growing number of young people just living together without even getting married. They figure that, "I need to get to know the person."

Their idea of getting know the person is to get to know the person physically or intimately. I heard a pastor say one time if you want to find out if you're compatible with somebody, that usually isn't because you share a bedroom, try sharing a checkbook, you'll find out really quick if you're compatible. [chuckles] The plumbing usually works, friends. You don't have to pre try the plumb.

Jean: The next caller that we have is Edie listening from Loma Linda. Edie, welcome to the program.

Edie: Good evening, Pastor Doug?

Doug: Evening.

Edie: Quick question from Joshua 7:24.

Doug: I'm going there right now. What is your question about that?

Edie: It says that Joshua and all Israel took Achan, his sons, and his daughters, and they stoned him. Then Deuteronomy 24:16, says fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their father.

Doug: Correct. You're wondering why in the world would his family be executed if he's the one that stole? You'll read that when he finally confessed his sin, they went and they found he had hidden it underneath the carpet.

Edie: In his tent, yes.

Doug: The family was an accessory. They knew. When Joshua gave everybody the call, and said, "Look, someone's been stealing. Who is it?" The family had an opportunity to confess and they didn't, they stood behind their father, they all maintained the covering up until they were exposed. It is a very serious thing. It is true that children are not responsible for the sins of the parents but if a parent brings them in on the crime, and they become accessories, then they're responsible. It doesn't say how old his sons and daughters were.

Edie: It doesn't [crosstalk].

Doug: Maybe it had been adult children. Hey, thank you, I appreciate that. There's another question I often get, and maybe I shouldn't be putting my own questions, but the sons of Saul were killed for the sin of their father, and David had them hung. It's probably because they were accessories of Saul or encouraging Saul to kill the Gibeonites. Otherwise, the children are innocent.

Jean: We're going to go to our next caller. We've got Dottie listening in Sacramento. Dottie, welcome to the program.

Dottie: Hi, how are you?

Doug: Doing good. Thanks for calling.

Dottie: I'm nervous because I've never done this before but I have a question. I've been praying about it. I don't know why it's so important to me but when I don't know some, I'm not satisfied until I have the answer. I was told someone believes that what does the Bible say about the sinners when they die because he believes that when Jesus comes back and he takes his people back that the sinners stay behind, but eventually, they will go to heaven as well because they will eventually recognize that God is the savior and he just believed that and I say, "Well, show me in the Bible." He can't pinpoint. He'll give me scriptures but I've always read in the Bible where they perish and so I'm a little confused.

Doug: Well, let me give you some verses. I'm glad you called. Don't be nervous and let me give you a few verses. Pastor Ross might help me with this. The Bible tells us in the second book of Thessalonians and it says, "When the Lord Jesus is revealed," this is verse seven. "When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those that know not God who do not obey the gospel of our Lord." Then you go to 2 Peter 3 and it says, "The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night." Where is the one Pastor Ross that says, "They're destroyed by the brightness of his coming."

Ross: Second Thessalonians talking about the antichrist. I'll look that one up but let me just add another one before I forget. It's Revelation 20:13. To me, this seems pretty clear. It says, "Anyone that was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire." We know the devil and his angels were there but also those who are not found written in the Book of Life. The Devil's not written in the Book of Life but also the unbeliever, those that are in rebellion against God. Ultimately the Bible says they are consumed in this lake of fire.

Doug: Yes. The verse I was going to read is in 2 Peter 3 where he says, "The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise. The elements will melt with fervent heat. Both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up when the Lord comes." This is 1 Thessalonians 4. It says, "The dead in Christ rise." We are caught up to meet them in the air and then it tells us that the wicked are destroyed by the brightness of his coming.

Ross: The verse you're referring to in 2 Thessalonians 2:8. It says, "That when the Lord comes, the Lord will consume with the breath of his mouth and will destroy with the brightness of his coming." That's referring to the wicked, the lawless one. 2 Thessalonians 2:8. There's the parable of the wheat and the tares where God says He'll gather the wicked together and cast them into a furnace of fire. Then you've got Matthew 25, He says, "The part for me you cursed in everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

The Lord is really, really clear in the Bible that the wicked go to the lake of fire. Now, some people misunderstand what that lake of fire is. It isn't burning yet. That's at the end of the world and everyone is punished according to what they deserve and they're consumed. The Bible says, "They're devoured, they perish." They don't start burning for billions of years as some have taught.

Ross: We do have a book talking about the second coming of Christ. It talks about what happens with the righteous as well as the wicked. It's called Anything but Secret. We'll be happy to send this to you, Dottie, or anyone that's listening wanting to learn more about the second coming of Christ. The number to call is 800-835-6747 and, again, just ask for the book. We'll be happy to send it to you. It's called Anything but Secret. I think we have time for at least one more caller. Let's go to California. We've got Kirk Carean. I'm probably not pronouncing your name correctly but welcome to the program.

Kirk Carean: Thank you. Could you explain, please, Isaiah 65:17-20?

Doug: All right. We'll do our best. It's several verses. Isaiah 65 and you said start with verse 17, "I create new heavens and a new earth and the former will not be remembered or come into mind but be glad and rejoice forever in what I create for behold I create Jerusalem, rejoicing and a people of joy. I will rejoice in Jerusalem and joy in my people and the voice of weeping will no longer be heard in her. Nor the voice of crying.

No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days. For the child will die a hundred years old." That's a verse where people often get hung up. What? The child will die a hundred years old. That word actually there can be translated, "The child shall cease a hundred years old." What that means is a child does not even stop being a child until a hundred.

The previous verses were talking about how everyone lives forever. The sinner being a hundred years old will be a curse. In other words, even after a hundred years, sinners are still forever a curse. Then it says, "They will build houses and inhabit them. They're planting vineyards and eating the fruit of them." That's not saying children die at a hundred years old. It's saying children don't even stop being children. They grow more slowly.

Proof for that would be found in the early chapters of Genesis where it says that some of the patriarchs didn't even get married till they were over a hundred. They matured more slowly. When you live forever, you don't have to just be a puppy for six weeks and then you're a dog. They can grow more slowly and their childhood lasts longer.

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