False Advertising

False Advertising

Date: 08/03/2003 
When it was first built in the early 1930's, the Queen Mary was the largest ship in the world, even surpassing the Titanic in almost every way.
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Hello friends! This is Doug Batchelor. How about an amazing fact? When it was first built in the early 1930's, the Queen Mary was the largest ship in the world, even surpassing the Titanic in almost every way. For many years, she had a rich history transporting passengers with over 1,000 trans-Atlantic crossings, not to mention the other oceans.

Then during World War II, the great lady became instrumental in saving lives. She conveyed thousands of wounded soldiers to the United States and carried up to 15,000 troops at one time. Servicing the war effort, the Queen Mary traveled more than 600,000 miles and carried over 800,000 troops.

One historic journey to New York in May of 1943 included passenger Winston Churchill and 5,000 German POW's. In 1967, the City of Long Beach, California bought the Queen Mary from Cunard Lines. Since then, 63 million has been spent on its conversion into a tourist spot with shops, restaurants and a hotel.

Now many in the City of Long Beach look upon the giant ship docked in the ocean front and dominating the view as a floating white elephant. And voices are calling for the old liner to be scrapped. With no possibility of sailing the seas, they claim the Queen Mary serves as false advertising. "Calling it a ship is a misnomer."

Even though it has a bow, stern, bridge and all the features of a great ship, it has no destination. Like many churches today, it's a large, floating museum; a resort filled with activity that never really leaves port. Stay with us friends. We're going to learn more as Amazing Facts brings you this edition of Bible Answers Live.

[PROGRAM INTRODUCTION]

Pastor Doug: Hello listening friends. Now would be a good time to pick up your telephone if you have any Bible-related question. It's a free phone call. Just pick up your phone and dial 1-800-GOD-SAYS. The Bible is our source book, 1-800-463-7297. My name is Doug Batchelor. I'm the President of Amazing Facts.

Pastor Dick Devitt is on his way, returning from a Christian convocation where he's been volunteering his time as a radio announcer, in addition to operating a tape ministry. Matter of fact, Pastor Dick may be listening now as he's driving down the highway. But if you have any questions, give us a call. Lines are open now, 1-800-GOD-SAYS. That's 1-800-463-7297.

And as always, we like to begin our program by dedicating this time to God, so please join us as we pray.

Father in heaven, Lord, we believe this is Your program; and the people listening are listening by Your appointment. If anyone would have a question, Lord, that would glorify Your name and magnify the truth, increase the understanding of the principles of the Gospel, then I pray that those calls will come in now and that answers will be given in a way that will help people better understand God's will for their lives, and Your beautiful character. So please bless this program Lord. We ask that You will cover it with the blood of the Lamb. In Jesus' name, amen.

Be patient with me in Pastor Dick's absence. I get to not only answer the questions, but try to negotiate my way around the telephones. As always, we want to begin with any questions you might have that are related to our devotion. And are devotion today is talking about the subject of why does it seem that so many of the churches have the outward form, but they're not going anywhere, something like the great Queen Mary?

You know, the Bible tells us if you read in 2nd Timothy chapter 3, the apostle Paul made a prophecy. "Know this, that in the last days perilous times will come. Men will be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to their parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God;" here it is, "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

Something like a great ship designed to float and to make its way through the seas, but never leaving port. So many of the churches in the world today seem to be spiritually dead. They've got a form, but no godliness; a lot of activity, but not the passion and the power of God's spirit to reach the lost.

You know the Bible, in Revelation, prophesied this day would come, when the churches would follow in the path of ancient Rome and Babylon and God would declare that "Babylon is fallen." You can read about that in Revelation chapter 18, verse 1. It says, "After these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was illuminated with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, 'Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'"

Then you go to verse 4 and there the angel says, "Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues." You know, there are so many different religions in churches in the world today; and yet, when Jesus comes back, we know that He is calling His people from many different folds into one fold.

He says, "Come out of her, my people." That's good news. God has His people in many different religious persuasions, many different denominations; but there's so much confusion in Babylon about what the Bible really teaches. Maybe you're wondering that. Maybe you've been part of a church or religious movement for years and it just seems that the peace and the power is not there.

The Bible has a number of prophecies that can help us identify what is a biblical church. If you'd like to know more about this, there's a free, beautiful, four-color study guide that we will send you. It's produced by Amazing Facts. It has been around for years and it's extremely popular; and it's called simply, "What's Wrong with My Church?" This Bible study helps you use the prophecies of the Bible to identify what is a biblical, truth-filled church and how can you find it; how can you be part of one.

If you'd like to know more about this and order our free resource today, then pick up your phone--now this is a different number than the one for Bible questions. This is our resource number; and that's also toll-free, 1-800-835-6747. Tell the operators that you're listening to Amazing Facts and you would like the free offer called, "What's Wrong with My Church?" and we'll send that out to you right away.

That number once again is 1-800-835-6747. Ask for, "What's Wrong with My Church?" A couple of questions that have come in on the Internet; well we've had quite a few. We have to just pray and pick a couple of them. One that we found here, someone is asking, "Why do you say that Jesus is God? I've been watching your TV program and I really like it, but if Jesus is the Son of God, then how can He also be God?"

Well that's a good question. But I think people misunderstand what the word "God" means. Now in the Bible it tells us that a man and woman get married and they become one flesh; two individuals, but they've become one entity, one flesh in the sense of they're united in their purpose. God the Father, Son and Spirit are one God that are comprised of these three individuals.

How can we say that Jesus is the Son of God, and also God? Well, one of the ways is you just look at the definitions for God that we find in the Bible. The Bible says that, "In the beginning God created...." Well, the Bible tells us Jesus created all things. The Bible says, "Only God can forgive sin...." And again, the Bible tells us Jesus forgives sin.

The Bible says to "worship God only" and again, the Bible tells us to worship Jesus; even the angels worship Him. So as you look at the different definitions for God, even though Jesus is the Son of God, He meets all of the definitions. So He is not only God's Son, He is also God.

Next question that comes in, someone named Al is writing and he asks, "If Paul says in Romans that all Israel will be saved, what does this mean? Is that part of Israel, or all of Israel?" and I think that this may be a rhetorical question.

It does say in Romans that all Israel will be saved, and you can read about that in Romans 11:25. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in. And so all Israel will be saved...."

"Now wait a second," someone's asking, "Is God going to save people based on their national identity? Is God going to save people based on their race? Isn't that a form of divine racism?" If we understand what Israel means here, then it's very clear. When you look in Romans chapter 9, verse 6, Paul also says, "All of Israel is not Israel," meaning literal Israel is not what God always identified as Israel.

There's also a spiritual Israel. Anybody who accepts and follows Christ becomes spiritual Israel. In that sense, all Israel will be saved; and this is what Paul is talking about. It is not always the circumcision in the flesh, but the Bible says it's the circumcision of the heart. All spiritual Jews will certainly be saved. God is not going to automatically save people based on their race.

The Bible teaches something very different. The Bible says God is "no respecter of persons." Now, I've written a book on this with my friend Steve Wohlberg. If you'd like to know more, we'll send you a free copy. A lot of confusion about the role of Israel, and this is written by two Jews, so hopefully, you'll trust that we're giving an objective view. It's called, Spiritual Israel.

It explains a number of the prophecies in the Bible about both literal and spiritual Israel that we hope will be a blessing to you. Alright, well we're going to go to the phones now and we'll begin by going to Champaign, Illinois. We're going to talk to Jim who's listening on the Internet. Welcome to the program Jim.

Jim: Thank you Doug for taking my call.

Pastor Doug: And thanks for your patience.

Jim: Can you hear my okay?

Pastor Doug: Yeah, and your question?

Jim: Okay, yeah, Matthew chapter 12, verse 40, this is puzzling me. Jesus is speaking, He said, "Just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights, so will the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights." The question is, if Jesus is speaking about His burial here, His death and burial, and knowing that Christian tradition teaches that Jesus died on Friday, rose on Monday morning, I can figure the three days, but I'm having a problem trying to figure out where's that third night?

Pastor Doug: I think what you meant is was crucified Friday and rose Sunday.

Jim: Correct, yes.

Pastor Doug: You said Monday.

Jim: I'm sorry.

Pastor Doug: That's okay. First of all before I forget, I've written a book that completely covers this question. It's called, The Sign of Jonah, and we'll send that to you for free Jim. All you'll need to do is call the resource number and say, "I'm listening to Amazing Facts and I'd like a free copy of that book, The Sign of Jonah, by Pastor Doug."

Jim: Okay

Pastor Doug: But I'll answer your question. I think that the confusion comes in because people assume "heart of the earth" means the tomb.

Jim: That's what I was doing, correct.

Pastor Doug: Now, nowhere in the Bible do you find where the phrase "heart of the earth" is ever used any other place in the Bible. But you do find places where it says, "in earth," like in the Lord's Prayer. It says, "Thy will be done in earth;" - -

Jim: Right

Pastor Doug: - - "in earth" there does not mean in the tomb.

Jim: Okay

Pastor Doug: So what does it mean? For three days and three nights, Jesus was in the heart of the world. That's what "the earth" means there, in the clutches of the devil. When did Jesus begin suffering for our sins? Was it only after the nails pierced His hands, or was it when the mob came and arrested Him in Gethsemane?

Jim: Gethsemane for sure.

Pastor Doug: And even Christ said three times, "Now is the hour of darkness." Something began Thursday night. He began suffering for the sins of the world Thursday night. He was beaten, He was whipped, He was bludgeoned, mocked. Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, He was suffering the penalty for sin. The penalty for sin is not just death, it's suffering and death.

The wicked do not just die. They are punished according to their deeds, and then they die. So the Bible is telling us that for three days and three nights, the same way that Jonah was a captive to the whale, Jesus was a captive to the mob, that demon-inspired mob; and He suffered for the sins of the world. See what I'm saying now?

Jim: Absolutely, yeah.

Pastor Doug: Does that make more sense?

Jim: Oh yes it does.

Pastor Doug: That was the reader's digest version. Please ask for that book. We'll send it to you for free okay?

Jim: God bless, thank you.

Pastor Doug: Alright, thanks a lot Jim.

Jim: Bye

Pastor Doug: Now we're going to go to Rebecca. Rebecca, are you listening?

Rebecca: Yes

Pastor Doug: Hi, listening on KADD, Denair, California right?

Rebecca: That's correct.

Pastor Doug: And your question?

Rebecca: My question is taken from Mark 7.

Pastor Doug: Okay

Rebecca: And the passage is 1 through 23, but the specific verse that I have the question about is verse 19.

Pastor Doug: Okay

Rebecca: In the New International Version, it says, "For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach and then out of his body." And of course, He's talking about clean and unclean food and acts, I guess, of well, traditions of the Pharisees.

Pastor Doug: Right

Rebecca: And then in parentheses in the New International Version it says, "In saying this, Jesus declared all food clean." Well I said to my husband, "Well, it doesn't say that in the King James," you know. And then so I was surprised when I went to the King James and I read it and it does say it a little differently; but it says, "Because it does not enter his heart, but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?" and it has it with a question mark. So it appears that Jesus is saying that all foods are clean in this text? I guess that's our question.

Pastor Doug: Okay, that's a good question, and this is one of the reasons why the NIV version--and I know many people have been blessed by it--but this is one reason it's not my favorite version. There were some bias that were put into the translation of the NIV. Of course, translations are all done by people. They're not necessarily inspired.

Rebecca: Right

Pastor Doug: And you can look in the front of any Bible translation and see who's on the committee. There were a lot of leaders on the committee that believed that you can eat anything. Matter of fact, all of them believed that [chuckles].

Rebecca: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: But it's not in the original Greek. I've got the Greek opened right in front of me. And probably the most accurate transliteration of this verse is the New King James version. Let me read that to you. First of all, specific foods, keep in mind, are never even mentioned anywhere in this chapter. It never talks about clean or unclean foods or pork. It's talking about eating with unwashen hands.

Rebecca: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: The religious leaders were upset because the disciples did not go through ceremonial hand washing before they ate.

Rebecca: Right

Pastor Doug: And they're saying, "Why don't you do this?" and Jesus said this is what defiles your heart; because if you happen to eat some food and you haven't ceremonially washed your hands and you get some germs, that is purged in the digestive system and eliminated from the body. Those things do not stay in your body. But the impure thoughts stay in your body.

It had nothing to do with what kind of foods are being eaten. Now, the New King James says, "Because it does not enter his heart, but his stomach and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods." Your digestive system has a purging aspect to it.

Rebecca: Right

Pastor Doug: Your stomach is a higher temperature than the rest of your body and the acids in there are extremely powerful. And so it's amazing kids grow up at all because it seems like they eat about a pound of dirt a week.

Rebecca: [Laughs]

Pastor Doug: So, you know, Jesus is saying, "This is not what defiles a person." It wasn't talking about is it okay to eat pork and camel, or these issues.

Rebecca: Uh-huh

Pastor Doug: That's never even addressed, and it's biblically dishonest when someone reads that into this passage, because here He is a Jew talking to Jews, and they're not even addressing clean and unclean foods.

Rebecca: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: Matter of fact, I had a pastor-friend of mine who doesn't believe in a distinction between clean and unclean and he and I debated this. He went to the Greek and came back. He says, "You know Doug, you're absolutely right. If you go by the Greek, the NIV took a lot of liberty." You notice it's in parentheses in the NIV version.

Rebecca: Yes, I did notice that. I thought that it was written in by somebody from their opinion.

Pastor Doug: No. They took the statement "purging all foods" and they stretched that to mean, it's quite a stretch, "In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean." Now, here's my question for you. If that's true, if Jesus at this point declared all foods clean, then why, when you go to Acts chapter 10, which is three and a half years after the death of Jesus, Peter says, "I have never eaten anything common or unclean"?

Rebecca: Oh yeah, uh-huh.

Pastor Doug: If Christ had been teaching that all things have been cleansed, none of the disciples took Him up on it.

Rebecca: Right [chuckles], that's true.

Pastor Doug: So it's an unfortunate translation in the NIV.

Rebecca: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: Okay?

Rebecca: Okay, thank you.

Pastor Doug: You know, we have a lesson on this. You may have seen it already. It's on what the Bible says about what foods are clean or unclean, according to the New Testament.

Rebecca: Well we've been going through the prophecy series on video.

Pastor Doug: You're going to get it there then.

Rebecca: Okay

Pastor Doug: Alright, God bless.

Rebecca: Thank you, bye bye.

Pastor Doug: Bye bye Rebecca. Next, we're going to talk to Julia who's listening on KACS in Rochester, Minnesota. You there Julia?

Julie: Julie

Pastor Doug: Julie, I'm sorry.

Julie: Hi, and that's okay. I'm reading in Exodus 4, verses 24 and 25, - -

Pastor Doug: Yes

Julie: - - where God has commanded Moses to go and talk to the Pharaoh; and he has taken his wife with him - -

Pastor Doug: Um-hmm

Julie: - - and they're, I guess they're traveling, and God comes and seeks to kill Moses. And then the next verse is Moses' wife, Zipporah, takes a sharp stone and circumcises her son.

Pastor Doug: Yes

Julie: And I just don't understand how - -

Pastor Doug: Alright, let me explain. First of all, sometimes you have to read between the lines, and this is one of the places where it also helps to read some of the Hebrew commentaries. God had called Moses. He probably was circumcised as a baby because he was kept by his parents until he was three months old. But he was raised in the courts of Egypt where he, sort of, was different there.

He then goes out into the desert and he marries a Midianite girl, Zipporah. Moses has not practiced circumcision on his children. Even though he is technically a child of Abraham, he has not practiced this. God is now calling him to the great work of leading his covenant people to the Promised Land; and yet, Moses, in his own family, has not gone through the rite of the covenant with his children.

He probably had some debate with Zipporah over this. She may have thought it was barbaric, or whatever, and he was not going along with what God told him to do; and instead, he was going along with what his wife preferred.

And in the way the Lord said, "Look, you're going to have to deal with this. Before you get to Egypt to lead My people, you need to be an example. You are going to be leading the people that have a covenant. And circumcision is a sign of that covenant. And you have not even practiced this in your own family."

When it says the Lord was going to kill him, obviously, Moses didn't slip through His fingers. If God wanted to kill him, He could kill him. What it meant was that he was facing serious judgment. It's like when Balaam, the prophet, meets with an angel in the way that has a sword drawn, well the angel could have killed him. Balaam didn't escape. It was like saying, "You are under the judgment of God unless you deal with something."

That's what it means there, is the angel opposed him, saying, "Look, the wrath of God is going to fall on you unless you deal with this. You're going to die." See what I'm saying?

Julie: Yes

Pastor Doug: So Moses confronted Zipporah and said we have to do this, and so she reluctantly took a sharp stone and did it right on the spot. They took a flint knife is what that means. And they are razor sharp; and I guess the oldest son was circumcised at that point.

Julie: Okay, well thank you.

Pastor Doug: She thought it was barbaric. That's why she says, "You're a bloody husband to me."

Julie: Okay

Pastor Doug: Okay?

Julie: Alright, thank you.

Pastor Doug: So we're reading a little into it, but I think that's what happened there if you look at the commentaries.

Julie: Okay, and that makes a lot of sense.

Pastor Doug: Alright, God bless.

Julie: Alright, thank you.

Pastor Doug: Thank you very much. Next, we're going to talk to Renee who is listening from Southfield, Michigan on WLQZ. Welcome Renee.

Renee: Yes, praise the Lord. I enjoy listening to your program; and I'm getting all of the questions I would have wanted to ask answered.

Pastor Doug: Well good, praise the Lord!

Renee: Thank you. The question I have is, actually I changed my question. The question is on the rapture.

Pastor Doug: Okay

Renee: We're living in exciting times, certainly, but what I wanted to know is where is it biblically stated, because some people believe in a pre-tribulation rapture; some people believe in post-, and this kind of thing. And I've prayed on it. I know what my heart says, but I need a Scripture.

Pastor Doug: Alright, now tell me the question. Where is what? Where does it teach the secret rapture?

Renee: When is the rapture suppose to occur, or are we even suppose to know exactly when it's to occur? I mean, we know that it occurs before Armageddon.

Pastor Doug: Alright. Well two things. Do you have a pencil?

Renee: Yes

Pastor Doug: Just for our friends who have not listened before, what we do on Bible Answers Live is we give a concise answer, and then we try and recommend material at our website, or for free we'll send it to them for deeper study.

Renee: Okay

Pastor Doug: We've got two books we'll send you for free.

Renee: Okay

Pastor Doug: One is a book I've written called, Anything But Secret, and it deals with not only that the rapture is not a secret. The word "rapture" means when we are "caught up" and, of course, we believe in that.

Renee: Right

Pastor Doug: But it's not a secret. It also tells about the relationship of the rapture to the millennium and the second coming, which is what you're asking.

Renee: Exactly

Pastor Doug: And there's another book we'll send you by Joe Crews called, The Secret Rapture. So there are two books there, Anything But Secret and The Secret Rapture. But very quickly, I believe that the rapture takes place after the time of trouble, or tribulation.

Renee: That's what I believe.

Pastor Doug: Now, let me give you reasons.

Renee: I don't know why though.

Pastor Doug: Well Matthew 24, Jesus said, "You will be hated of all nations for My sake." And He said, "There will be a time of trouble such as there never was." And then He talks about - -

Renee: And we have to be alive to know better here, right?

Pastor Doug: Yeah, and then He talks about lightning shining from the east to the west - -

Renee: Right

Pastor Doug: - - and His angels gathering together the elect. But that's after there's this great tribulation. Furthermore, you just go through the Bible; in Daniel chapter 12 it says at that time Michael will stand up, and there's a great time of trouble such as there never has been, "at that time thy people will be delivered."

[Cross talk]

Renee: We're all suppose to be protected and not to worry about this. Well, why would we need to worry or have fear of protection if we're not going to be here?

Pastor Doug: Exactly. The key to understanding prophecy is you look back at the stories in the Bible. The book of Revelation tells us that the great tribulation is synonymous with the seven last plagues, okay?

Renee: Okay

Pastor Doug: When the plagues fell on Egypt in the days of Moses, were the children of Israel still in Egypt during that time?

Renee: You better believe it.

Pastor Doug: And did God protect them?

Renee: Uh, yes

Pastor Doug: Okay. That's what's going to happen. And so - -

Renee: [Laughing] Oh yeah, He did protect them.

Pastor Doug: - - that's the scenario for what's going to happen in the last days. We will be here; God will protect us; and then He will save us after the final plague.

Renee: Okay

Pastor Doug: Alright?

Renee: Alrighty

Pastor Doug: Alright, God bless. Good question.

Renee: Thanks much, bye bye.

Pastor Doug: Thanks Renee. Oh, we'll see if we've got time for one more. Okay. We're going to go and talk to Sarah on line 7, WMCA, in Allendale, New Jersey. Welcome Sarah.

Sarah: Hi

Pastor Doug: Hi, your question tonight? Just got about three minutes before we take a break.

Sarah: My question had to do with Revelation chapter 12, about the dragon, - -

Pastor Doug: Yes

Sarah: - - like, why does he have seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns on his heads?

Pastor Doug: Good question. The best way to understand the Bible is let the Bible explain itself. Go with me to Revelation chapter 17.

Sarah: Okay

Pastor Doug: And this same ugly dragon appears again, okay?

Sarah: Okay

Pastor Doug: And it says, "So he carried me...." Verse 3 of Revelation 17, the angel carries John in the Spirit into the wilderness. He sees a woman sitting on a scarlet beast full of blasphemy, seven heads, ten horns. Now, does that beast sound familiar?

Sarah: Yeah

Pastor Doug: Seven heads, ten horns. Alright. What does that mean now? If you go down a little further, the angel comes and he begins to explain this prophecy. And he says here, "The ten horns that you saw upon the beast, these hate the whore and they will make her desolate." That's not the one I'm looking for.

"The seven heads, upon which the woman sits," here we go, it's in verse 9. "Here is the mind that has wisdom. The seven heads on which the woman sits are seven mountains." It says, "These are seven kings." In the Bible that means "kingdoms."

Sarah: Yeah

Pastor Doug: So this beast represents the devil and the kingdoms the devil has operated through. Matter of fact, if you look in Revelation 12, it calls him the old dragon, the serpent, and the devil."

Sarah: Yeah

Pastor Doug: Did you notice that in Revelation 12?

Sarah: Um, not really.

Pastor Doug: So, we don't have to guess who the beast is. It tells us in Revelation 12. That dragon is the devil.

Sarah: Yeah


Pastor Doug: Then it says that he's got seven heads. These are kingdoms that the devil has operated through to persecute God's people. Now there are seven kingdoms that have occupied God's people through time; and some of them are in power now. In the Old Testament, you've got Egypt, that oppressed the Jewish people, God's people then.

Sarah: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: You've got Assyria; Babylon; Medo-Persia; Greece. That's why it says, "Five are fallen, one is." Rome was in power when John had this vision. And now we're running into a break here we're going to need to take. But then you've got the fallen church of the Dark Ages that received a deadly wound and came back. And that adds up to seven.

We've got a Bible study that we can send on this. Matter of fact, the study we're offering tonight on "What's Wrong with My Church?" talks about that.

Sarah: Okay

Pastor Doug: So you can send for that and that will help answer your questions. Friends, you hear the music in the background because we're about to take a break. Thank you Sarah, and I hope that helps a little bit. We're not going away. In the interim, if you need to run and get a drink, you can also log on to the Internet.

Look at the Amazing Facts website. You're going to see at the top right-hand corner of the homepage we have something called, Free Library. We have one of the broadest free libraries available on religious material on the Internet. That's quite a statement. But you look for yourself and you see if it's not true. Check out AmazingFacts.org and BibleUniverse.com.

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Pastor Doug: Welcome back listening friends, and for anyone who may have just joined us, you've found your way to Bible Answers Live. Those who've been listening have probably picked up on that. This is a live, interactive Bible study. We welcome and encourage you to not only listen, but pray for us as we answer these live calls.

Now we're going to go back to the phones. My name is Doug Batchelor. Pastor Dick Devitt is on vacation and on his way back to Sacramento. We're listening to Frankie who's calling on WTLN in Gainesville, Florida. Welcome Frankie, your question?

Frankie: Yes Doug, how are you doing tonight?

Pastor Doug: Good. Get real close to your phone. You're all the way in Florida and we're in California.

Frankie: Okay. I'm studying the sanctuary and I'm studying in Hebrews chapter 9, verses 3 and 4.

Pastor Doug: Okay

Frankie: And when you read in verses 3 and 4, it talks about the altar of incense.

Pastor Doug: Yes

Frankie: And Paul places that in the second apartment.

Pastor Doug: Yes

Frankie: Now when you read Exodus 36 and other Old Testament Scripture, - -

Pastor Doug: Yes

Frankie: - - it makes it clear that the altar of incense in in the first apartment.

Pastor Doug: Yes

Frankie: How do you rectify that?

Pastor Doug: One day a year they moved it into the Holy Place during the offerings. The altar of incense went where the priest was because it represented prayers of the saints. On the day of atonement, they would move the altar of incense into the Holy of Holies, because wherever he was ministering, they would put incense on that altar as a symbol of their prayers to God.

So that's why you see most of the time it appears with the three implements of furniture in the Holy Place. On the day of atonement, you're going to find it in the Holy of Holies. It was the smallest piece of furniture in the Holy Place. It was very easy to transport.

Frankie: Right, right.

Pastor Doug: Okay?

Frankie: Because I have read some guy who said that that's one of the errors in the Bible, that uh - -

Pastor Doug: Well there's an error, but it's in his reasoning. It's not in the Bible.

Frankie: Right [laughs]

Pastor Doug: No. The altar of incense went where the priest was ministering because it represented the prayers of the people. And all year long, it was always in the first apartment because that's where he ministered the daily sacrifice. But when the high priest on the day of atonement went in, they took the altar of incense with him.

Frankie: Okay

Pastor Doug: All he had to do was push it through the veil or lay the veil around it. It was the piece that was the closest to the veil and that was the reason. It was the only one that move in.

Frankie: Okay

Pastor Doug: As soon as they parted the veil, the first thing they saw was the altar of incense; and it went with him into the Holy of Holies on the day of atonement once a year. You can read that in Leviticus 16, okay?

Frankie: Right, okay. Thank you Doug for that. You know, that was kind of bothering me there because I knew that that was suppose to have been in the first apartment.

Pastor Doug: Oh you can trust the Word of God. Hey Frankie, we have a lesson on that, and we'll send it to you for free. It's called, God Drew the Plans, and it deals with the whole sanctuary okay?

Frankie: Okay then.

Pastor Doug: Call our resource number, 1-800-835-6747, we'll send it to you, God Drew the Plans.

Frankie: Thank you Doug.

Pastor Doug: God bless you.

Frankie: Yeah, you too.

Pastor Doug: Alright, phone #9, talking to Tom in New Jersey, listening on WMCA. Welcome Tom, your question?

Tom: I do actually. I just became a father about two months ago.

Pastor Doug: Okay

Tom: And something that has been bothering me a little bit is actually the story of Abraham. I've been thinking a lot about it because right now my son is just--he means more, really, to me than anything. And I came to this conclusion that if what happened to Abraham happened tomorrow, you know, I don't think I would have made it as far as the field. I don't think I would even get to the point where I'd be willing to make that sacrifice.

Pastor Doug: If God asked you to offer your son, you don't think you could do it?

Tom: I don't think I could do it.

Pastor Doug: Well you know, first of all, don't be ashamed. You don't know. God will not give you a test before you're ready for it. The other thing is if God gives you a test, He will provide the strength to obey. And so don't worry about if you could do it today because, thank God, today He's not asking you.

I've got several children. I know exactly how you feel. This is not a test that He would make for every father. This test was a demonstration of the incredible faith of Abraham. So if you don't have the faith Abraham had, don't despair. But it is true, that as we walk with Jesus, we need to learn to love Him more than our children.

Matthew 10:37, "He that loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. He that loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me." Now think about this for a second Tom, you still there?

Tom: Yeah I am, I am.

Pastor Doug: You're on a cell phone. I hear it fading a little bit.

Tom: Yeah, I'm sorry about that.


Pastor Doug: It's okay. What do you love more? If somebody gives you a gift and you really appreciate the gift, are you loving the gift more, or the giver of the gift?

Tom: Well, see, that's true, and I know that, and that's what I tell myself. But I guess my problem really is that, ultimately, I don't think I could put God before my son if it ever came to a question of my son's well being.

Pastor Doug: Well don't spend a lot of time worrying about something that may never happen. What I would do is just pray every day that God will help you to love Him with all heart, mind, soul and strength. The best way you can love your son is by loving God the most. And just pray that God will fill your heart with that love.

Tom: But, still I have to face the fact that God is there, the God in the Bible is there; and that if He did--I know He's not going to ask me tomorrow to do this with my son--but if He did, that I wouldn't pass that test that I'm suppose to pass.

Pastor Doug: Well, what's your question though? I mean, are you wanting to ask God to give you that faith, or...?

Tom: I guess my question is then, can I accept that task completely? I mean, if I can't ever feel like I can - -

Pastor Doug: The wonderful thing about your relationship with God, Tom, is you can just tell Him, "Lord, You know my heart. You know I love You, but You know how I feel about this son." Oh first of all, God wants you to love your son with a sacrificial love. He wants you to do that. But if you think about it, even our love for our children is an extension of our love for ourselves because they are in our image, right?

Tom: Right, right

Pastor Doug: So just say, "Lord, help my love for You and my appreciation for this gift of my child to be supreme." And ask God to work on your heart. Don't be apologetic. God knows what's in your heart better than you do.

Tom: Right

Pastor Doug: So just be honest with Him and, you know, you walk together and your love grows, okay?

Tom: God bless.

Pastor Doug: Alright, thanks Tom. God bless you.

Tom: God bless.

Pastor Doug: Alright. We're going to talk now to, well let's see who has been waiting a long time, we're going to talk to Jeff who's on line 2 in Walla Walla, Washington. Jeff, welcome to the program.

Jeff: Hi. Yeah, my question is in Revelation chapter 12, verses 7 and 11.

Pastor Doug: Yes

Jeff: It says, "There was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought and kicked Satan and his angels out of heaven.... And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and loved not their lives unto the death." My question is, if these angels with Michael overcame the devil by the blood of the Lamb and loved not their lives unto the death, then were Michael's angels human at one time and possibly came out of great tribulation?

Pastor Doug: No. It's not saying that the good angels overcame Satan by the blood of Jesus. It's saying that we, the saints on earth, overcome. Notice what the context is in verse 10. "...The accuser of our brethren," the brethren are our brothers and sisters on earth, he is "cast down, which accuses them before God day and night." "And they," our brethren, is the context, "overcome by the blood of the Lamb." Not the angels that fought with Lucifer.

Jeff: Okay

Pastor Doug: So it's humans on earth that overcome by the blood of the Lamb, not the unfallen angels. You see, blood covers sin. The unfallen angels have never sinned.

Jeff: Right. The reason being because when I read in Daniel, it refers to Michael. And in Jude, Michael the Archangel is mentioned, but it doesn't talk about Him being accompanied with angels.

Pastor Doug: Right. You know, I've written a book that I'll send you for free. It's called, "Who is Michael the Archangel?" It's not a big book. It's real easy reading. It has a nice cover on it. Would you like that?

Jeff: I think I read it. You say it's Jesus, which I believe also. Praise God.

Pastor Doug: Alright, so you've read the book.

Jeff: Yeah

Pastor Doug: Yeah, that ought to help a little bit.

Jeff: Okay, thank you.

Pastor Doug: Alright, God bless, bye bye. Next, we're going to talk to, well let me see here, Jose in Orlando, Florida. You there? WTLN, first-time caller.

Jose: Yes

Pastor Doug: Hi, get real close to your phone Jose.

Jose: Okay, this is good?

Pastor Doug: That's pretty good.

Jose: Alrighty. Well first, I want to thank God for your ministry. It has been a blessing to me and I try to listen to you as much as I can.

Pastor Doug: Well, thank you.

Jose: And my question is in the first three Gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke, when Jesus was baptized.

Pastor Doug: Um-hmm

Jose: When He came out of the water, it says in Matthew that he--it says, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." But in Mark and in Luke, it says, "You are my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Was God talking two different times? Or is this a contradiction?

Pastor Doug: You know, one of the reasons you'll find little differences in the various Gospels is because you're going from one language to a next. Now, when God spoke at the baptism of Jesus, He probably spoke in Hebrew. That may have been written by Mark in Aramaic, and then later in Greek.

And by the time you get a phrase from the Lord transferred from even just Hebrew to Greek, phrases like, "He said unto him," or, "They heard him say," those things can change a little bit. Sort of like in Spanish you would say, "I live in a house white." In English you would say, "The white house."

Let me give you another example. Above the head of Jesus is a statement written, "This is the King of the Jews" right?

Jose: Yes

Pastor Doug: All four Gospel writers write that statement slightly different. All four. One of them says, "This is the King of the Jews." One of them says, "He said He was the King of the Jews." One of them says, "Jesus Christ, King of the Jews." Well the reason is it says it was in Hebrew, Greek and Latin, isn't that right?

Jose: Correct

Pastor Doug: So it's in three different languages; and the different Gospel writers, they basically took one of those languages and translated the theme. So this voice that comes from heaven that speaks in Hebrew, they're hearing it; and what they heard the Father say is, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Jesus heard it too. Someone is speaking through Jesus' eyes, hearing what Jesus said, "You are my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." They're both accurate, see what I'm saying?

Jose: Makes sense, okay.

Pastor Doug: So, yeah, that wouldn't shake my faith. Hope that helps you a little bit.

Jose: I'm sorry, you had what?

Pastor Doug: I said I wouldn't let that shake my faith.

Jose: No. I haven't. I was just a little unclear as to who He was talking to, but you cleared it up. Thank you.

Pastor Doug: Alright, God bless, and I'm happy to please. We'll talk to you later.

Jose: Thank you, bye bye.

Pastor Doug: Next, we're going to talk to, oh I hope I can say your name right, Millay? Is that right? Fresno, California.

Millay: Yes it's Millay.

Pastor Doug: Okay, and listening on KARM. Your question tonight?

Millay: Okay, Pastor Batchelor, I was wondering about James 5:16.

Pastor Doug: Okay

Millay: What does it mean to pray an effective prayer?

Pastor Doug: Well, it says, "...a fervent, effectual prayer."

Millay: Okay

Pastor Doug: And I believe, of course, we know what effectual means. It comes from the word "effective." But I think that probably in the original Greek there, that would would mean "focused."

Millay: Okay

Pastor Doug: Sometimes our prayers are very imprecise and unfocused. So two things make our prayers attractive to God.

Millay: Okay

Pastor Doug: The most powerful thing in our prayer is the sincerity, or the fervency. For instance, when Peter is drowning and he prays one of the shortest prayers in the Bible. He says, "Lord, save me!" It was a short prayer, but it was extremely heart-felt, you know what I'm saying?

Millay: Yes

Pastor Doug: So our desperation is our greatest plea with God; so that's one aspect. The other aspect is sometimes our prayers are very vague and all over the place. God, I think, is offended by those prayers because it's hard for Him to help us recognize He's answered a prayer, if we don't even know what we asked for.

The more precise and focused we are in our prayers, then the easier it is for us to see, specifically, what the answer is.

Millay: Okay

Pastor Doug: So when we pray, pray with all of our heart, our desire fervency, and be specific with God.

Millay: Alright. Well thank you Pastor Batchelor. I appreciate it.

Pastor Doug: Alright, that's a good question. Thanks a lot for your call.

Millay: Alright, bye

Pastor Doug: Talking next to Ann who's listening on WMCA and calling from New York, New York, my old hometown. Welcome Ann.

Ann: Hi

Pastor Doug: Hi, thanks for your patience. And your question tonight?

Ann: My question tonight is about faith verses law.

Pastor Doug: Okay. What would you like to know? Anything specific, or do you want my sermon on that?

Ann: Yeah

Pastor Doug: You want my sermon?

Ann: Yeah, because, you know, some believe we are no longer under the law.

Pastor Doug: Well, the Bible says--Paul says we are not under the law. Some people think that means we are not under an obligation to obey the law. When Paul says we're not under the law, he's saying we are not under the penalty of the law. Christians are saved from the death penalty, but that does not mean that we are not under an obligation to obey.

Ann: I agree.

Pastor Doug: I mean, Jesus is very clear. If we say we love Him and we don't keep His Commandments, we are liars. He says, "If you love me, keep my commandments." And 1st John says, "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." [KJV]

So the Bible tells us if we love Him, we will keep His Commandments, and His Commandments are not a burden.

Ann: Right

Pastor Doug: So, you know, Jesus said, "Not everyone that says, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom; but they that do the will of my Father in heaven." What is the will of the Father? Well you can read in Psalm 40, verse 8. It says, "I love to do your will, your law is in my heart." The law of God is the most simple expression of His will. God, obviously, doesn't want us to lie or to kill or to steal. It's the will of God.

If we love the Lord, the very basics for a Christian are to fulfill the will of God; but we do not do it to be saved. We do it because we love Him and we are saved. But if someone says, "I love the Lord," and they're not obeying His Commandments, they're not saved. They don't love Him. That's how they get things backwards. You know, I've got a free study that I'll send you if you'd like on the relationship - -

Ann: I would appreciate that.

Pastor Doug: Alright

Ann: And that answer you gave that lady on the rapture?

Pastor Doug: Yeah

Ann: Perfect!

Pastor Doug: Thank you. Well tell you what, write down our toll-free number. It's our resource number, 1-800-835-6747. You can ask for the lesson called, It's Still There. It talks about the relationship between the law of God and salvation, It's Still There.

Ann: Can I call tonight?

Pastor Doug: Yeah, there will be operators standing by there at Michigan.

Ann: Okay. Thank you very much. You answered my question.

Pastor Doug: Praise the Lord!

Ann: That's what I was looking for.

Pastor Doug: No problem.

Ann: Thanks

Pastor Doug: God bless you. Next, we're going to talk with Becky who's listening in Bronx, New York and calling from WMCA. Welcome Becky. Your question?

Becky: Hi. I love your program. I was just wondering what role will the United States play in Bible prophecy?

Pastor Doug: Ooh good question. Now, before I even answer that, you heard the toll-free number we just gave out a minute ago?

Becky: Yes I did.

Pastor Doug: Alright. I'll give it to you again.

Becky: Okay

Pastor Doug: For any of our friends listening, we have a lesson called, America in Prophecy. It's right up the alley of what you're asking.

Becky: Okay

Pastor Doug: That number is 1-800-835-6747. We'll send it to you for free.

Becky: Okay

Pastor Doug: And it's called, America in Prophecy. Very quickly, you're asking a big question. In Revelation 13, you find out the first beast is in the first few verses. There is a second beast in Revelation 13.

Becky: Okay

Pastor Doug: You know, a very common misunderstanding among Christians, we talk about the mark of the beast.

Becky: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: We talk about the beast of Revelation 13.

Becky: Right

Pastor Doug: Really, Revelation 13 teaches two beasts. Verse 11 says, "I saw another beast come up out of the earth."

Becky: Right

Pastor Doug: That first beast is speaking of the church based in Europe, more specifically in Rome. The second beast, is the Protestants based in North America.

Becky: Okay

Pastor Doug: And it tells us that the union of Protestants and Catholics is going to forge a counterfeit form of Christianity that will not follow the Bible, and will compel people to worship God a certain way.

Becky: Uh-huh

Pastor Doug: And we're going to have to decide between obeying the laws of men and the laws of God.

Becky: Right

Pastor Doug: Now, I just gave you a very abbreviated answer. Please read the study.

Becky: Okay

Pastor Doug: That study we're sending you is part of a series. It's our advanced prophecy series. You can ask for the whole thing and we'll send them to you one lesson at a time, okay?

Becky: Okay, sounds good.

Pastor Doug: Alright?

Becky: Great

Pastor Doug: God bless Becky. Hope that helps.

Becky: Thank you so much, bye bye.

Pastor Doug: Alright. Now we're going to go from New York all the way across the country to California just by the push of a button. This technology is amazing. Benjamin, talking on our home station here, KFIA in Dixon, California. Welcome to the program Benjamin. Your question?

Benjamin: How are you doing?

Pastor Doug: Real good

Benjamin: I know Romans was written by Paul and also the book of Timothy, right?

Pastor Doug: Well, I don't know that the book of Romans was written by Timothy. I have never heard that.

Benjamin: No, no, no, I said by Paul, - -

Pastor Doug: Yes

Benjamin: - - and also the book of Timothy.

Pastor Doug: Oh I see, okay.

Benjamin: Okay

Pastor Doug: Yes

Benjamin: Now, in Romans 9, he's talking about predestination, right?

Pastor Doug: Well part of it, yes.

Benjamin: That some people were predestined to be saved and some not. Now, why does he in 1st Timothy chapter 2, verse 4, he says, "For he longs for all to be saved, and to understand this truth"?

Pastor Doug: Well, I think it's a mistake when we believe that what Paul is saying in Romans chapter 9 is that God has hand-picked some people to be saved. That is a misunderstanding of the phrase "predestination."

Benjamin: Okay

Pastor Doug: Predestination does not mean--and this is a big debate in Christianity between even people in the same denomination. Predestination, I do not believe, means that God is looking down on earth going, "Eenie, meenie, miney, moe, who will I save?" The Bible is completely contrary to that.

John 3:16 says, "...whosoever believes in Him." Whoever believes in Him doesn't perish but has everlasting life. And then, as you just quoted in Timothy, God, "Who would have all men to be saved." You can also read in 2nd Peter chapter 3, "God is not willing that any should perish." The last words in the Bible, it says in Revelation 22, "Whoever would, come and take the water of life freely."

Salvation is open to everybody. Now, when it's talking about predestination there, it's talking that God has predetermined that all should be saved. Many are called, but few respond to that call. Some have confused God's pre-knowledge with a pre-choice. Let me explain something. You still with me?

Benjamin: Yes I am.

Pastor Doug: You know they've got the helicopters that do the weather for radio stations? They fly over the traffic, not the weather. They fly over the traffic and they give traffic reports for radio stations?

Benjamin: Okay, yes.

Pastor Doug: You've got a man, he's in a weather helicopter and he's watching the traffic. He sees two cars are going into a tunnel and one of them is trying to pass a truck just before they enter the tunnel, and he can see they're going to collide. He is not making the collision happen, but because of his vantage point, he sees it's going to happen.

God sees, in advance, who is going to be saved and who is going to be lost. He sees how they're going to respond. He is not making anybody be lost because God doesn't want anyone to be lost. He's not willing that any should perish. He wants all to be saved. He is love.

What does it do to His nature if He says, "Well you know, I don't like the looks of Esau. He's too hairy so I want him to be lost"? God knew how Esau would respond. That's why when the Bible says, "God hardened Pharaoh’s heart," you still with me?

Benjamin: Yes

Pastor Doug: When the Bible tells us in Exodus God hardened Pharaoh's heart, people think that means God says, "I don't like Pharaoh. I'm going to make him be lost." The circumstances that God sent to Pharaoh hardened his heart; but those same circumstances melted the heart of others.

It was how Pharaoh responded to the circumstances that God sent. In that sense, God says, "You know, I guess I hardened his heart by the plagues and things. Where other people would have repented, it just made him more stubborn." So God wants everyone to be saved. And so that's how I would deal with this apparent conflict. I have an article I can send you on that.

Benjamin: Okay

Pastor Doug: It's called, Heavenly Hostage, okay?

Benjamin: Okay

Pastor Doug: And hopefully that will help.

Benjamin: Thanks a lot.

Pastor Doug: You've got the resource number we gave out? 1-800-835-6747, okay?

Benjamin: Alright, thank you.

Pastor Doug: Alright, God bless Benjamin.

Benjamin: God bless.

Pastor Doug: Now we're going to go talk to Juan in Port St. Lucie, Florida. Welcome Juan, listening on WCNO.

Juan: Hi Pastor, how are you?

Pastor Doug: Hi, get real close. For some reason, all of our Florida phone calls are weak signals. I'm doing good. I think in Florida they're using those paper cups and the fish string or something.

Juan: Yep. You pretty much answered my question. It was exactly the same that the person before this, but I have another question.

Pastor Doug: Okay

Juan: And so this is from my wife. It would be what is it that we need to do before we are baptized? Is there a requirement for us to get baptized?

Pastor Doug: Very good question. I'm glad you asked that. We have a lesson that we will send you on baptism if you call; and I'll answer your question also. Matter of fact, we were just looking at that lesson a few minutes ago with that picture on the cover. We've got a little study guide on baptism you could ask for from Amazing Facts.

Very quickly, the Bible says before baptism a person should repent of their sins. They should be taught. Jesus says in Matthew 28, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them...." So a person ought to be taught the basics of salvation. In addition, it tells us that we should believe with all of our heart.

Those are the main criteria. Obviously, we have to be old enough. Some people baptize babies, but I don't believe that's biblical. I think a person needs to be old enough to be taught, to repent, to believe; and these things an infant cannot do. The lesson is called, "Baptism: Is It Really Necessary?"

If you call our resource number, it has a lot of what the Bible says on that subject, okay?

Juan: Okay

Pastor Doug: Does that answer your question Juan?

Juan: No

Pastor Doug: No. You want to know what to do to be baptized. What else can I tell you?

Juan's wife: Pastor, he's asking the question for me, and what I wanted to know is often they preach that God does work in us, that God helps us get victory over things.

Pastor Doug: Yes

Juan's wife: And I studied, actually, the Amazing Facts' Storacles of Prophecy - -

Pastor Doug: Yes

Juan's wife: - - and the Pastor said I was ready to be baptized. Then he found out that I smoked and he wouldn't baptize me.

Pastor Doug: Good for him.

Juan's wife: And I want to understand if every time I go to church and they say that God is doing the work in us, why does that hold me back when - -

Pastor Doug: Before we run out of time--now what's your name?

Carrie: Carrie

Pastor Doug: Carrie, I've got Juan's name here. I just wanted to know your name. I smoked before I was baptized and I wanted the Pastor to baptize me. He said no. He said baptism represents a new birth. It represents that you gained the victory. John the Baptist said, "Bring forth fruits meet for repentance." In other words, there should be fruit in our life that we've turned from certain behaviors that the devil still isn't controlling us.

And basics would be things like a person who is drinking or smoking or some of these addictions that aren't a good witness. If a person is baptized and they say, "Praise the Lord, I've accepted Jesus. My sins are washed away," and then we're still chained to a habit like smoking, it's not a good testimony; and God will give you the power to get the victory over that.

Now, that should not keep you from going to church, Carrie, because the Lord wants everyone to come and to serve Him and to love Him. But when you're baptized, your name is on the Books, and you represent Christ; and, just be honest, if you saw Jesus smoking, what would you think?

Carrie: [Chuckles] Well, you know, my issue is more with that I know that other people are getting baptized, and - -

Pastor Doug: There are things in their lives that aren't consistent.

Carrie: Right

Pastor Doug: Well, there's going to be hypocrisy, but you need to start with the basics we can see. Some things in the heart we can't see. But basic things, like external additions like smoking, you need to lay that aside. It really will hurt your witness, okay?

Oh friends, I'm sorry. I've run out of time, and that was a good question. Thank for that call Juan, Carrie, and I'll be praying for you. We have a lesson that we'll send you on victory. If you call the Amazing Facts resource number, ask for the little booklet that we've got on the life of victory. We'll send that to you.

Listening friends, if we didn't get to your question, have mercy on us, give us another chance. God willing, we'll be back with more live answers next week. Before you change the channel, remember, this is a listener-supported ministry. I hope the Holy Spirit will jog you right now and you'll say, "You know, I'm going to contact them."

God bless friends. We'll be back next week.

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