The Sweet Word Of God

Date: 08/10/2003 
Over 20 times in Scripture, God spoke about bringing His people into a good land flowing with milk and honey. But, why did He choose milk and honey?
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Hello friends, this is Doug Batchelor. How about an amazing fact? Over 20 times in Scripture, God spoke about bringing His people into a good land flowing with milk and honey. But, why did He choose milk and honey? Milk and honey are the classic odd couple for several reasons. Milk is a perfect culture for disease. When left in the open air without being pasteurized or homogenized, milk will instantly begin to separate, spoil and breed bacteria. On the other hand, honey is the only food that doesn’t spoil.

It can be used as a food preservative and by itself it will last practically forever. In fact, crystallized honey thousands of years old has been found in the pyramids, and yet when it was reconstituted after heating it was edible, but I am sure it tasted a little moldy. Honey placed on an open wound will help to protect, while milk will promote infection. The one is produced by insects and the other by mammals. Milk and honey are also two animal products that can be used without killing the creatures. Though it is not ideal a person could live a long time on a pure diet of just milk and honey with the pollen. Because of their rich nature God never intended that either milk or honey become a staple in man’s diet. It was considered in the Bible to be a treat to be eaten sparingly. Even in Proverbs 25: 16 King Solomon counseled; “Have you found honey? Eat only as much as you need lest you be filled with it and vomit.” So why then does God consistently use this logo as a slogan for the Promised Land? Stay with us friends we will learn more as “Amazing Facts” brings you this edition of “Bible Answers Live”.


Pastor Doug: This program is an answer to prayer and a fulfilled dream. I remember that; oh, it must have been 25 years ago, listening to a “Bible Answer” program where the host didn’t seem very encouraging to the caller. And his answers seemed a little bit far-fetched and I thought, oh what a wonderful opportunity to share the truth of God’s word in this format. I thought oh God maybe someday I could have a program like that and open the Bible and tell them what it really means.

Pastor Dick: Amen.

Pastor Doug: So this is an answer to prayer and the Lord has continued to bless, friends. You are tuned into a live, interactive Bible study. And if you would like to participate and you have any Bible question; you can participate by calling us, lines are still open: 1-800-GOD-SAYS or 1-800-463-7297 and we will find out what the Lord says together in His word. You can participate by listening and by praying for us. My name is Doug Batchelor.

Pastor Dick: My name is Dick Devitt.

Pastor Doug: Yeah and we always begin with prayer, too.

Pastor Dick: Let’s do that. Father in heaven we thank You and we praise You. What a wonderful gift you have given to us Lord. For this communication in radio to go where other forms of communication are not able to go. And what a wonderful privilege You have given us Lord to share God’s word with this gift of radio. We thank You Lord and we pray that Your voice will speak clearly tonight to someone who is searching for the truth. May they find it tonight in the word of God. We thank You again Lord in Jesus’ name. Amen.

Pastor Doug: Amen.

Pastor Dick: Well Pastor Doug welcome home first. You were in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Pastor Doug: Yes, I was at the wonderful Christian Convention in Albuquerque this week and it was very encouraging to see the way these thousands of Christians are sharing their faith. And there are very few things that get me more excited than watching than to watch layman winning souls.

Pastor Dick: Amen. Christians were coming from all across the United States and from around the world I guess to be there.

Pastor Doug: Yes, from all parts and from the Philippines and India and all over the world.

Pastor Dick: That is wonderful, that’s wonderful! Well Pastor Doug we want to talk a little bit about what you shared with us in your “Amazing Fact”; milk and honey. Milk and honey. You know, I love honey, but I just--- boy, but it is easy to get sick on.

Pastor Doug: If you eat too much of anything sweet I think it can sour your stomach. Matter of fact there is a place in Revelation where John eats a scroll and it is like honey in his mouth, but it turns bitter in his stomach.

Pastor Dick: Yes that’s right; that’s right.

Pastor Doug: But, in the Bible, for these people that were largely nomadic, in order to have honey, they needed fields that were filled with flowers. Because where there are no flowers the bees don’t do well.

Pastor Dick: Yes. Okay.

Pastor Doug: In order to have an abundance of milk they needed a lot of pasture.

Pastor Dick: Hmm.

Pastor Doug: And so when God paints a picture of the Promised Land for us in heaven, He says it is a land of rich, sweet abundance. The Bible promises in Psalms 16 “At His right hand are pleasures forevermore.” And so this is one picture of milk and honey as representing the richness and the sweetness of the reward of the righteous, but beyond that; and the luxuriant beauty because you have to figure the tropical lushness you would need for an abundance of milk and honey.

Pastor Dick: Right.

Pastor Doug: Beyond that, milk and honey were considered something that opened our eyes. Perhaps you remember a story in the Bible where Jonathan, during a battle, he was running through the woods and he is weak from hunger, and he finds a little honey dripping from a tree. And he tastes it, and it says his eyes were enlightened.

Pastor Dick: Hmm. Oh yeah.

Pastor Doug: I guess he had low blood sugar, and it brightened his eyes. But, especially the symbol of milk and honey in the Bible are a symbol for the word of God. For instance, in the Bible it tells us that one of the prophecies about the Messiah tells us; and many people know this part in Isaiah 7: 14 & 15 verse 14 “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” Then it says in the next verse, “Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.” (KJV) Butter and honey is milk and honey. That’s where you get butter with milk and not just any milk it is rich and the butter is the cream of the milk.

Pastor Dick: Right.

Pastor Doug: And this means the word of God was in the mouth of Jesus. Peter for instance, in Hebrews it talks about how the word of God is milk given to baby Christians. “Desire the sincere milk of the word.” Psalms 19 tells us that “His word is sweeter than honey in the honeycomb.” And so you can find this comparison all through the word. That milk and honey were a symbol for the word of God. John the Baptist, you know it says he ate honey and locusts and we believe the locusts was locusts weed. But, it was a symbol for the word of God that is sweet and rich; that God wants in our mouths.

Pastor Dick: So many different pictures and symbolism of the word of God are in the Bible. There are so many and as you were describing milk and honey. I was thinking of Ephesians Chapter 6 where Paul says put on the full armor of God. Yeah and part of that is the word of God; so.

Pastor Doug: The sword which is the word of God.

Pastor Dick: Well, we have a special gift that we want to make available to folks tonight. It’s called “The Armor of God” and this is a little book and I have it here in my hand. You wrote it and what was your intent when you wrote this, Doug?

Pastor Doug: Well, we’re all attacked by the enemy. And the same way that the word of God protects us Jesus used the word of God when He was tempted by the devil. The word of God and the righteousness of God are the helmet and these implements that are identified are our protection when we are under attack. So many Christians fall and struggle because they have not really put on the armor of God. This book and I don’t know if we have ever offered this?

Pastor Dick: I don’t think we have.

Pastor Doug: Because it is relatively new, but this book is something that would encourage people who want to have that steady ground standing faith.

Pastor Dick: Okay. Amen. Well this is available to anyone who will call our resource operator tonight. And ask for it “The Armor of God” written by our host, Pastor Doug Batchelor. Call at 1-800-835-6747 that is 1-800-835-6747. Now remember, that number puts you into our resource department where the operators are standing by. And they will take your name and address and send it out to you this evening. If you would like a copy of “The Armor of God” place your call there and they are on duty 24 hours a day. You can call now 1-800-835-6747. If you have a Bible related question and you would like to talk to Pastor Doug tonight, 1-800-GOD-SAYS or 1-800-463-7297, any subject related to the Bible. And we will do our best to get you on the air in the next 50 minutes or so.

Before we go to the phones Pastor Doug; let’s take our internet questions. Since this is what we usually do.

Pastor Doug: Okay.

Pastor Dick: The first one--- A woman at work asked me who was the disciple that Jesus loved most, and why? I told her it was Peter, because Peter recognized Jesus as the Messiah, and because he was impetuous and quick to follow Jesus. Was that correct?

Pastor Doug: Well, that question is a question that could lead to a misunderstanding. What was the disciple that Jesus loved most? The Bible tells us that the apostle John always identified himself as the disciple whom Jesus loved. And you can read that in John 13: 23 “Now there was leaning on Jesus bosom one of His disciples whom He loved.” It never really says who He loved most.

Pastor Dick: Hmm.

Pastor Doug: And you know Christ loves us all. He desperately loved all of the disciples and apostles and He loves each of us. God is love. But, John was so overwhelmed with the sense of Jesus love that he never even refers to his own name, but in the gospel he refers to himself as the one whom Jesus loved. I think five times.

Pastor Dick: And in the third person.

Pastor Doug: Yeah. So it even says concerning Lazarus; the one whom you love is sick. But, Jesus loves everybody.

Pastor Dick: Right.

Pastor Doug: But, John is the one typically identified as the apostle of love.

Pastor Dick: Okay, very good. Second question: If one has rededicated his or her life to Jesus Christ, would they have to get water baptized again?

Pastor Doug: Well, not necessarily. Baptism is synonymous for the Christian to marriage in our culture. Baptism is the Christian’s marriage to Jesus. It is a public commitment where you have vows of fidelity; consecration, there’s a lot of similarities. If a couple has an argument and the husband spends the night on the couch, they don’t have to go off and get remarried the next day.

Pastor Dick: (Laughing)

Pastor Doug: If one says something to wound the other it doesn’t need another marriage ceremony. The only time you have to get remarried is if you have been divorced. Now if a person backslides to the degree they publically reproach Christ and they turn their back and they stop going to church, but it doesn’t mean they missed one week. But, if they really turn from the Lord and divorce Him by their profession and by their behavior then re-baptism might be appropriate. It is not something to be done carelessly and if someone is getting re-baptized every couple of years then something is very wrong. Most people, I mean even Peter when he denied Christ, there is not a record that he went off and was re-baptized. So we sin and we repent, and when we celebrate the Lord’s Supper Jesus decides when we ask the renewal of our commitment. Every time we participate receiving that bread is His body and the grape juice His blood. But, there is an occasion for re-baptism in the Bible in Acts Chapter 19. There were some believers that Paul met that were baptized Biblically, and this starts with the first verse. There were twelve men that were baptized by John the Baptist, but they had not yet heard about Jesus and they were re-baptized so there is a precedent for re-baptism. Three reasons friends that you may be re-baptized. And we have a lesson on this. The first time is if you have divorced the Lord in like a big time way by backsliding, it might be necessary to get re-baptized. It might be appropriate and the Holy Spirit will impress you. Secondly, if you were never baptized Biblically by immersion then you might want to be baptized the way that Jesus was, that would be appropriate. And the third reason is like in Acts 19 if someone comes into a new understanding of the faith; they should be re-baptized. And I think we have a lesson on baptism called “Buried, but not Forgotten”

Pastor Dick: “Buried, but not Forgotten” and if you would like a copy of it, again, call our resource operators at 1-800-835-6747. Ask for the lesson on Baptism and we will send it out to you tonight.

Let’s go to the phones Pastor Doug and take our first caller for the evening. Going to Dallas, Texas and want to talk with Richard who is listening on KSKY. Hello Richard welcome to the program.

Richard: Yes.

Pastor Dick: Hi and your question please for Pastor Doug?

Richard: Well I am in John 1: 1 tonight.

Pastor Doug: Okay.

Richard: 1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (KJV) Another version I have over here says the word was with God and the word was a God.

Pastor Doug: Yeah I have a sneaking suspicion that the other version you have there is called the New World Translation?

Richard: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: Yeah, this is the Jehovah Witnesses translation of the Bible and I don’t mean to be unkind, but the sole—and I shouldn’t say that—but, the primary purpose that the Watch Tower Society made their own translation of the Bible is they could not use the traditional Protestant versions to discredit the Divinity of Christ. So where ever it talked about the Divinity of Christ in the King James and other Protestant versions and translations; they had to alter that. And this is the case it is not in the original Greek.

Pastor Dick: No it’s not.

Pastor Doug: And they substituted the word “a” God and it does not say that I the original. I have got the Greek in front of me. So you know it is something if you look into it you will find out. Oh let me see. There are archo Theos logos Theos and the word “a” isn’t in there. I just read it to you in a transliteration in Greek. So they just substituted the word “a” there to do away with the Divinity of God and “the word was God” and you know all the teachings of the New Testament support that teaching. Because it tells us that the word became flesh and dwelt among us and that was Jesus. So that says it right there.

Richard: In their commentary they still call Him that the word quoted Jesus and the equivalent, but they didn’t actually come to the dissent against the Pharisees invading and they rewarded them and Jesus was with God and Jesus was a God.

Pastor Doug: Yeah let me give you---I can give you another Scripture that supports it. Now you look in 1 John it tells us that all things that were made were made by Him. And without Him was not anything made that was made. Now, in the Bible it says God made the heaven and the earth. And then it tells us that all things were made by Jesus. Well you just do simple deduction, a third grader can figure out well that if God made all things then Jesus made all things. Then Jesus is God. So hope that clears it up and I hope that helps. You know I have a book I just finished on the Trinity and if you want to send for that Richard that book hopefully will help and Pastor Dick will give you the number and you can call and get it for free.

Pastor Dick: Richard call our resource operators and ask for the new book that Pastor Doug has just finished on the Trinity. 1-800-835-6747 it will clarify this better for you than we can here on this program in the short time that we have. So call and get the book and ask for the book on the Trinity at 1-800-835-6747. Pastor Doug to Columbia, South Carolina Eric is listening on WBAJ hello Eric.

Eric: Hello what is happening?

Pastor Doug: Good how are you doing?

Eric: Pretty good. Real quick my question is from Exodus Chapter 10: 1 dealing with Pharaoh and I wrote it down. How did the fair and loving God harden Pharaoh’s heart, but maintain freedom of choice?

Pastor Doug: Good question. Let me tell you how I think we can understand this. When God sends circumstances, people respond differently to circumstances based on their choice. The circumstances that God sent; Pharaoh could have humbled himself and been saved, but instead he hardened his heart. And so God is saying through the circumstances I sent Pharaoh’s heart was made hard. And the way it is worded in Hebrew it makes it sound like that God arbitrarily; in other words, the translation from the Hebrew makes it sound like God arbitrarily, He says wait and let me think I need to harden Pharaoh’s heart so I can use him as an example. I have heard a preacher put it this way. The sun shines on wax and it melts. The same sun at the same temperature will shine on clay and it gets hard. The problem is not with the sun it is the substance. The substance of Pharaoh was clay and his heart was hardened by the Providence of God where as another King like Manasseh when he went through trials he humbled himself. Does that make sense?

Eric: That is awesome Doug. Thanks.

Pastor Doug: That is okay.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Eric. God bless. To East Rutherford, New Jersey Yung is listening on the World Wide Web, welcome Yung.

Yung: Hi. Would it be against the second commandment that when I pray--

Pastor Doug: Get real close to your phone. We can barely hear you so get real close to your phone.

Yung: Would it be against the second commandment if when I pray or just read the Bible or when I see Jesus, I see those false images and illustrations of Him.

Pastor Doug: In your head or your mind and you imagine them?

Yung: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: No let me read the second commandment to you and I’ll do my best to at least quote it. “You shall not make unto you any graven image of in the heaven above or the earth beneath or the water under the earth. And you shall not bow down yourself to them and worship them. Now, the commandment and many people made a common mistake of thinking the second commandment means do not make a reproduction of anything that exists in heaven and earth. Well if you take that literally, that becomes a terrible problem because that means you cannot have a photograph of your child in your wallet. It means you cannot have a painting of a flower on the wall. Do you see what I am saying, but we know God doesn’t mean it that way because He would be a hypocrite if He did. God told the children of Israel to make angels and put them in the temple. He told them to carve things like figs and pomegranates and put them around the skirts of the priests. There are a number of times that God told them to make the likeness of something. But, the commandment doesn’t say don’t make any likeness period. It says don’t make any likeness and bow down and worship it. Nowhere in the Bible are God’s people punished for making an image. Didn’t God tell Moses to make a serpent?

Yung: Yeah, but He didn’t tell him to make one of himself.

Pastor Doug: No, well if you are worshipping that, it is wrong. You know we shouldn’t worship an image of anything. Because any image you have of God lowers your concept. But, it is not a sin if on your mental screen a picture of God appears when you pray. Because most people think in pictures there are a few heavily auditory people that don’t think that way, but most people think in pictures. That we imagine on a mental screen that we have and I don’t think God condemns us for visualizing things in our minds.

Yung: Okay.

Pastor Dick: Just a true confession, Pastor Doug. When I was first becoming a Christian, the verse that the apostle Paul said: I purposed in my mind to know Jesus and Him crucified; only Jesus and Him crucified. I had this picture in my mind of Calvary and the cross and the two thieves on either side. And every time I prayed for several years that picture would come into my mind of Jesus on the cross with the two thieves on either side. It was of Jesus and the two crosses with the thieves on either side. And that was a powerful image in my mind. I don’t think that was--

Pastor Doug: That is a good point, and is it even possible for you to say that and for people not to picture that what you just said?

Pastor Dick: Exactly.

Pastor Doug: So it is not idolatry to have an imagination. Any good preacher he ha—

Yung: You know like on TV where like they use pictures of Jesus and in movies an all like that.

Pastor Doug: Well yeah, I am not saying go looking for pictures of Jesus. I am saying that if you in your mind have a picture of Jesus I don’t think that we should be worshipping pictures of Jesus or breaking that commandment, but that is different than having pictures in your mind when you pray or you think.

Yung: What should I do if they have pictures of Jesus on your TV like on your slideshows and you say Jesus that is how He looks like?

Pastor Doug: Well an artist concept is not a sin I mean if people are out taking pictures and praying to them well that would be—that would trouble me.

Yung: But, I am saying the face of Jesus.

Pastor Doug: Well I think everybody knows and a good preacher when he preaches tries to help people visualize the love and His sufferings and that is all that the gospel is all about. It is almost impossible; can you think Yung without ever visualizing? If I talk to you about the crosses as Pastor Dick just did does a picture of Jesus on the cross come into your mind?

Yung: I try not to think because I have never really seen what you are saying.

Pastor Doug: Oh I see. Brother I think that you’re troubling yourself over something that shouldn’t be a problem. And I just hate to see you suffer that way because it is worshipping images that God condemns not having them in a painting.

Pastor Dick: That is right.

Pastor Doug: I hope that helps a little bit Yung.

Pastor Dick: Let’s go to Sommers, New York and Kelly is listening on WMCA hi Kelly.

Kelly: Hi Pastor Dick and Pastor Doug how are you?

Pastor Doug: Very well. Thank you for calling.

Kelly: I have a question. The war in Iraq, does it play a role in Bible Prophecy?

Pastor Doug: That is a good question. I think it does, and let me tell you why. Now I won’t give you any specifics about where we are; but, it is almost hard for me to believe that this place that is identified almost more than any other place in the Bible, the area that now is within the borders of modern Iraq is the same area where they built the Tower of Babel.

Pastor Dick: Gomorrah is located there.

Pastor Doug: Yeah. It is the same area Abraham came out of. It’s the area where--

Pastor Dick: The Euphrates River is there.

Pastor Doug: Yeah. It is where Jacob went to get his wife. The Euphrates River is there, the Garden of Eden was traditionally between the Tigris and the Euphrates Rivers. The children of Israel were carried away captive to Babylon. They came out of Babylon and Revelation talks about spiritual Babylon falling, and I think there is—I think God is trying to shake us a little bit with some of the prophetic significance of America is really a world power and the fact that we have our troops now in the land of ancient Iraq that is the old regime, in any event, was a very blatant enemy of the people of Israel. And so I think there is some significance there. And I think that if nothing else, the Lord is trying to get our attention that we are in the last days. I am not going to attach it to any timeline in prophecy, but I think that there is some significance.

Kelly: So there is really no prophecy in the Bible that supports that and there is not Scripture that supports that?

Pastor Doug: Read—and let me make a suggestion.

Kelly: Okay.

Pastor Doug: If you read the last ten verses in Daniel Chapter 11.

Kelly: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: You might be surprised and I am not going to tell you; I want the Holy Spirit to tell you.

Kelly: Okay.

Pastor Doug: You read that and you see if something clicks in your mind. Okay?

Kelly: Daniel Chapter 11. Okay thank you.

Pastor Doug: It is a long Chapter and especially focus in on the last quarter of the book in that Chapter.

Kelly: Okay thank you. Good night.

Pastor Doug: Alright.

Pastor Dick: Thanks Kelly. To Buenos Park, California where James is with us this evening. Welcome James.

James: Hello Pastors how are you?

Pastor Doug: Very good and how are you?

Parlor Dick: Your question please?

James: Yeah, I am a Christian and is wine--- is that Biblical to drink or not? Because I have been in a discussion with people and they say Jesus Christ had drunk a little wine.

Pastor Doug: Good question.

James: At the wedding He turned the water into wine. So they said that Christians are okay to drink so long as you don’t get drunk.

Pastor Doug: Alright. That is a good question and that question is so popular that we wrote a book on that. And I will send it to you for free when we are done with this question. If you will be sure to call and ask for it. It is called “Wine and the Christian”; “Wine and the Christian”.

James: “Wine and the Christian”?

Pastor Doug: By yours truly. Now let me answer your question quickly. The words grape juice does not appear anywhere in the King James or the New King James version. They always called any juice of the grape, wine. When you read it in its’ context you will sometimes see it is fermented and sometimes it is not. The wine that Jesus made at the feast, He did not make booze for a party, He made grape juice. And the proof of this is, Jesus talks about His gospel as new wine. And new wine is grape juice. That’s all it means, and when it comes out of the wine vat from crushing it, it is grape juice.

James: Oh. Well okay.

Pastor Doug: Yeah and that is why He said you do not put new wine into old wine skins. Because then the old wine skins would ferment the new wine gradually. Isaiah talks about as the new wine is in the cluster. Well, you know as well as I do that when the grape juice is still in the cluster it is not fermented.

James: Right. It is the grapes.

Pastor Doug: So the word wine is what confuses people, and the word wine is a derivative of the word vine. It means any fruit of the vine, the juice of the vine.

James: Oh.

Pastor Doug: But, in our culture we always think wine, we think booze and we think wino. Not in the Bible. It talks about new wine. It talks about old wine, and sometimes it just uses the word wine. And typically the Bible speaks against wine. The mocker is the strong dink that is raging and whoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Noah drank wine and ran around naked. And Lot drank wine and he slept with his daughters, and I mean it is just not a good history. Send for that book.

James: What is it called again?

Pastor Doug: It is called “Wine and the Christian”

James: Okay.

Pastor Doug: And if you would just ask for my book on wine and they will help you. Pastor Dick will give you the number and then we are taking a brief break friends.

James: Okay thank you.

Pastor Dick: Call our resource operators at 1-800-835-6747 James. 1-800-835-6747. Folks you hear the music and we will take a break for about two minutes and then we will be back with more “Bible Answers Live.” In the second half we have lots of calls still to get to, so we hope you will stay with us. And we have a lot of things to talk about and some announcements to make in just a minute; don’t go away.

Pastor Doug: Don’t forget about the “Amazing Facts” website. If you have not been there friends check out “Amazing Facts dot org” and when we come back we are going to tell you about how to get a copy of the “Greatest of Amazing Facts” that we have covered in the last five years. We’ll be right back.


Pastor Doug: Welcome back listening friends. And to those who have found their way to our broadcast we are delighted to have you at a live, interactive Bible study that is going across the country, and across the ocean and around the world via the internet.

Pastor Dick: Amen.

Pastor Doug: My name is Doug Batchelor.

Pastor Dick: My name is Dick Devitt. And standing by in Arlington, Texas to talk to us is Melissa, who is listening on KSKY welcome Melissa.

Melissa: Hi.

Pastor Doug: Hi. Thanks for waiting, and get real close to your phone.

Melissa: Okay. Well my question is that I have just become a new Christian. And all of this stuff is happening to me and I guess between my family and friends’ turmoil, like a bunch of stuff is getting thrown at me. So I am wondering, is this normal?

Pastor Doug: Yes. Cheer up it is normal. Let me give you some Bible examples. The best illustration of salvation is when God saved the children of Israel from Egypt to take them into the Promised Land. God wants to save you and me from the slavery of the devil, and take us to heaven, the Promised Land. As soon as Moses came to liberate the children of Israel; the Pharaoh tightened his grip. For one thing, he said “oh you’re thinking too much about freedom” and he made them make bricks without straw. And then they had all of these plagues, and the more they tried to escape; it was almost like those old Chinese finger tortures, you put your fingers in and you can’t get them out and the more you try to pull them out it is the tighter they get almost like a dog choke chain, they call it.

Melissa: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: And that is the way the devil is. When he sees we’re escaping it terrifies him, and he tries to discourage us from following Christ. But, the Bible tells us that if you draw near to God, He will draw near to you. The same way when the children of Israel as soon as they tried to cross over the Red Sea; Pharaoh chased after them. When the devil sees that you are coming near him, the devil he tries to keep his captives. But Jesus is going to part the sea for you, and He will move the mountains or whatever it takes or He needs to do. Just don’t get discouraged and keep going forward okay?

Pastor Dick: Amen.

Melissa: Okay.

Pastor Doug: It’s temporary and even Jesus was tempted, but eventually He rebuked the devil and he left. So you pray and a matter of fact there are a lot of people out there that need it. We will pray with you right now Melissa if that is okay?

Melissa: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: Would that be alright?

Melissa: Yes, sir.

Pastor Doug: Father in heaven we would just like to direct our prayers to Melissa and others like her who are doing their best to follow Christ and just come under attack from a series of problems and struggles and conflicts. And I just pray that you will help to part the clouds, and help them to see the sunshine and part the sea and help them to get over, and begin their journey to the Promised Land. Hold back the devil and hedge the enemy in and I pray that you will give them encouragement in place of discouragement. We ask in Christ’s name. Amen.

Pastor Dick: Amen. Don’t lose heart Melissa.

Melissa: Okay-- begins into laughter. Thank you.

Pastor Doug: God bless you.

Pastor Dick: God bless you. To Garland, Texas and Larry on KSKY welcome Larry. Ah let’s see Larry you still there?

Larry: Yes, sir.

Pastor Dick: Okay your question please.

Larry: Okay. I was wondering if you can explain Revelation 17: 10.

Pastor Doug: I will do my best. This is a verse in the Bible, for our friends who might be in their cars. Revelation 17 is the passage that talks about; it is called the whore of Revelation. You have two women in Revelation. God’s church, His faithful church is described in Revelation 12 as the woman clothed with the sun, moon and stars and the light of God. In Revelation 17 it talks about a woman who is clothed with scarlet and she is an unfaithful church and she represents Babylon, that we just spoke about. It says she is sitting on a beast that has seven heads and ten horns. And then the angel interprets for John and he explains this, and says these seven heads represent seven mountains; that’s verse 9, on which the woman sits. And in verse 10 it says, there are also seven kings, these seven beasts are seven kings or kingdoms on which the woman sits. Five are fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must continue a short space.

Alright let me back up real quick. There are seven Empires in Bible Prophecy that persecute God’s people. When John wrote the book of Revelation; he was on the Island of Patmos and he was a captive of Rome and imprisoned by Rome. When he wrote this, there were five kingdoms that had persecuted God’s people. You have Egypt, and of course everyone knows about the Pharaoh, we just talked about him. Assyrian king carried away 10 tribes. Babylon ever heard of Babylon? Medo-Persia and Greece under Alexander the Great and his minions and that is five that are fallen. The next one is Rome. He says one is and which one was in power when John was in prison? Rome. Did Rome persecute Christians? Absolutely. And the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must continue a short space. Rome was divided and instead of it being Rome ruled by Caesar; it became the Roman Empire ruled by the church, which became corrupt. And during the Dark Ages, the church persecuted real Christians. They burned them at the stake and everything and so these represented that he receives a deadly wound, but he comes back to life and these represent the seven heads of that beast and it is a deep study, but can I make a suggestion Larry?

Larry: Sure.

Pastor Doug: Amazing Facts has an advance Bible Prophecy series and if you call our resource number and tell them that you want to sign up they won’t just send you the whole set of lessons. They will send you just one or two at a time and they want to make sure that you are committed to doing them. It is all free and you fill them out and send them back and the will send you the next ones. Okay?

Larry: Okay.

Pastor Doug: Okay and they have got one specifically on Revelation 17.

Larry: Okay and is there a book that you would recommend on Revelation?

Pastor Doug: Yeah. It is a book that you can find at the “Amazing Facts” website and it is called “Daniel and the Revelation”

Larry: Okay, well thank you very much.

Pastor Doug: Okay, God bless.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call. 1-800-835-6747 is the phone number for those lessons Larry.

Pastor Doug: Or “Amazing Facts dot org”.

Pastor Dick: Or “Amazing Facts dot org” right at the website or call the resource number and you will get the lessons and the book as well. Let’s go to Brooklyn Pastor Doug, where John is listening on WMCA and welcome, John.

John: Hi and good night.

Pastor Doug: Good evening.

Pastor Dick: And your question please?

John: Yes, I just wanted to know when the latter rain is poured out, would it be poured out on individuals or groups? And if so, how would you know?

Pastor Doug: Okay good question. Well, I think we can learn something about the latter rain from what we saw with the former rain. When God poured out the Holy Spirit in the days of Pentecost--- maybe I should back up and just quickly explain. In the Bible economy, there were two primary rains. One happened when they planted their seed, and one just before harvest. Jesus said “I am the sower”; and He sowed the seed of the gospel. At Pentecost He poured out the Holy Spirit and the seed all sprouted, and the church began to grow. Before Christ comes to harvest the church in Revelation He comes with a sickle to harvest. Before He comes to harvest there is a latter rain, an outpouring of the spirit that will come. At Pentecost John, was it one person or was the Holy Spirit poured out on a group?

John: On a group.

Pastor Doug: Well then we can assume then it is also going to happen on many people in the last days, but there is a story in the Old Testament where God poured out the Spirit on the Elders that Moses had. Moses invited 70 Elders to come to the Tabernacle and God poured out the Spirit on them, but two of them missed the meeting. They didn’t feel they were worthy and they were alone, but the Spirit fell on them also. So there may be some who will be in groups and some may be isolated who receive the Holy Spirit. Okay?

John: Okay.

Pastor Doug: Two of them were together; Mildab and Edab are the two if I remember their names.

John: I just wanted to know what the evidence would be. Would it be something that you can identify?

Pastor Doug: Power. Boldness. the Bible says that in Acts Chapter 4 when they prayed for the Holy Spirit, they prayed that God would give them boldness to preach the truth. When the Holy Spirit comes on God’s church they are going to have boldness s to preach the truth. There will be power. Okay?

John: Okay thank you.

Pastor Doug: No one has to tell you when the lightening is flashing and the rain is pouring.

Pastor Dick: This gospel shall be preached unto all the world.

Pastor Doug: Yes. Absolutely.

Pastor Dick: To Virginia Beach, Virginia. Felix on WWVA; welcome Felix.

Felix: Oh, how are you doing?

Pastor Doug: Very good, and your question tonight?

Felix: My question was concerning Matthew Chapter 19: 9, talking about only having a divorce for adultery.

Pastor Doug: Yes.

Felix: My question was, let’s say I got married, and it was to someone with a false identification, and about a week later they just ran off. Should I try and find that person, or If I go and get married again would I be committing adultery?

Pastor Doug: Pardon me for being direct, but did this happen to you?

Felix: It happened to a friend of mine.

Pastor Doug: He married someone and then a week later she disappeared?

Felix: Well, she married someone with a false identification and a false name and social security.

Pastor Doug: And then he abandoned her?

Felix: Right.

Pastor Doug: Well, I tell you that is a tough one, and what I would do is, first of all don’t do anything quickly. I think that marriage is a very serious issue, and if she married someone, and pardon me I don’t want to be unkind, but you really need to know who you are marrying. And if she married someone and she really didn’t know who it was, then she needs to be real careful about getting married again. She needs to wait and just grow in the Lord and she needs to get a local Pastor where you are worshipping, and I am assuming this is a Christian or otherwise she wouldn’t ask what the Bible teaches right?

Felix: Right.

Pastor Doug: Make sure you get some counsel from a local Pastor. Some churches say that abandonment so early in the marriage is cause for annulment. Biblically, adultery is the only grounds, but typically a man who abandons his wife after such a short time is going to be committing adultery shortly. And so it is sort of a circular logic, but I would just have her wait, and pray and get counsel okay?

Felix: Okay, but at the time she wasn’t a Christian. It was about a year ago.

Pastor Doug: And she hasn’t heard from him since?

Felix: No she hasn’t.

Pastor Doug: Well I would lean toward saying doing whatever she needs to do to make it legally official. Because if there was a marriage registered she still needs to obey the laws of the land. And if she does this and this fellow shows up again, I wouldn’t have anything to do with him. Okay?

Felix: Okay.

Pastor Doug: But, counsel with a Pastor. I always want to be careful to not displace the people’s local Pastors. Okay?

Felix: Right. Okay thanks.

Pastor Doug: Alright thank you.

Pastor Dick: To West Palm Beach, Florida Nelly is listening on WNCO; welcome Nellie.

Nellie: Hi I have a question--

Pastor Doug: Get a little closer to your phone.

Nellie: I said I have a question on 1 Timothy 4: 4.

Pastor Doug: 1Timothy 4: 4 okay. What is the question?

Nellie: It says everything is good for you to eat, so why is it that I heard you mention last hour about clean and unclean animals. So if everything is good, why not eat everything?

Pastor Doug: You don’t believe that everything is good to eat. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that this verse means that everything that God made we can eat?

Nellie: But, it says everything is good.

Pastor Doug: Stay with me here. Think about this for a second, because if you are going to take it that way, does that mean that God wants us to eat skunks? Does He want us to eat buzzards and rats and cock roaches and maggots?

Nellie: No.

Pastor Doug: Okay now, so what does He mean? Keep in mind, and let’s back up a little bit. God is talking about a religious movement that would forbid people to marry --- this is verse three. Now, I can think of at least one religious movement that said that the priesthood can’t marry---caused all kinds of problems. And to abstain from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving. Now he is telling you which foods they are commanding people to abstain from. The ones created to be received with thanksgiving. Okay, so He is talking about a religious movement that says that you can’t eat things that God says you can eat. For every creature of God He has already identified the ones He is talking about. These are the ones that God created to be received with thanksgiving okay? For every creature of God is good and is to be received with thanksgiving. He is not talking about clean or unclean anywhere in this passage. He is talking about a cult or counterfeit religious movement that said that is telling people that you can’t eat even clean meat and things that God said you can eat. There are some churches that say on certain days of the week you can’t eat fish. Where is that in the Bible? Do you know what I am talking about?

Nellie: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: Okay. So think about it for a second. It says every creature. Do you know you are a creature Neil? Is it Neil or Nellie?

Nellie: Nellie.

Pastor Doug: I am a creature, and you wouldn’t want to be a cannibal, would you?

Nellie: Oh no.

Pastor Doug: Okay so he doesn’t mean that everything that breathes is our food, but people have taken this verse to mean that, and that means they pray over anything that crawls over their plate. Do you have any children?

Nellie: No.

Pastor Doug: Alright, let’s pretend you do. Pretend you are a father and your children are getting ready for school, and instead of eating a nourishing breakfast, they decide that they just want to eat licorice and chocolate candy bars. Would you let them do that?

Nellie: No.

Pastor Doug: Okay why not? It says everything is good, just pray over it. If your kids say well, I will pray over my banana split for breakfast and so I am going to go to school and --- let me tell you something. I just got off of an airplane, and a ten-year-old boy sat down next to me. He is on a school trip, and mom was not watching. He ate three pieces of pepperoni pizza, then he ate a candy bar as big as a cinder block; chocolate, the whole thing. Then he got a Dr. Pepper, and the kid was bouncing off the walls next to me the whole way from Phoenix. And I wanted to say, look, I know your mom is not here, but you are not supposed to do that. (Chuckling) But, the idea that you can just eat anything; that is not what Paul was saying. That’s a distortion of the verse. Okay?

Nellie: Okay.

Pastor Doug: I hope that helps a little bit.

Nellie: Alright have you got anything you can—

Pastor Doug: Yeah, we have got something to send you, and we have something called “Death in the Kitchen”.

Pastor Dick: Yeah. That’s a good one.

Pastor Doug: Yeah we haven’t sent hat out I awhile. And a matter of fact for anyone who wants to know more about the subject; just ask for Joe Crews’ book “Death in the Kitchen”.

Pastor Dick: Nellie call that number that I have been giving 1-800-835-6747. Call that number and ask for “Death in the Kitchen”. Okay let’s go to Franklin Park, Illinois Pastor Doug Dennis is listening on WAUR hello Dennis.

Dennis: Hi, how are you doing Doug? I listen to WAUR quite often and extensively.

Pastor Doug: Well, praise the Lord. And your question?

Dennis: Okay, I am a rededicated Christian and I backslid for about 25 years and now one of the weak points---

Pastor Dick: Hey, hold on for just a second here.

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Pastor Dick: Sorry Dennis, we lost you there for second.

Dennis: Yeah, okay can you hear me now?

Pastor Doug: Yeah, you said one of the weaknesses –

Dennis: Yeah, one of the weaknesses I have as a rededicated Christian, now the Holy Spirit’s been--- I can feel the difference, you know. The power of the Holy Spirit is in me now, which it wasn’t when I was backsliding, you know--- but, I have a problem still with a few areas. But, the one that concerns me most is stewardship and I wondered if you could give some help with verses in the Bible that would pertain to stewardship? That might help me overcome some of my weaknesses with handling my financial resources.

Pastor Doug: Alright well one thing that I’ll recommend. Are you able to get on the internet Dennis?

Dennis: Unfortunately, I am computer illiterate, so I don’t have that.

Pastor Doug: That is okay. There are quite a few verses. First of all, the Bible says that he that is faithful in that which is least, is also faithful in much. A lot of people, they dig themselves into financial bondage, one penny at a time. They say “Oh well, it’s not that big, it’s only ten dollars, it’s only another twenty. I’ll finance, I’ll put this on my credit card, and I’ll pay it. and little by little they nibble themselves into an elephant.

Dennis: Right.

Pastor Doug: And then they can’t deal with it. So be faithful in the pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves.

Dennis: Hmm.

Pastor Doug: He that is faithful in that which is least, is also faithful in much.

Dennis: Right.

Pastor Doug: And are you in debt right now?

Dennis: I have just gotten out of debt, but I got a loan from- I work for the Post Office- from the Credit Union. I had them pay off my credit cards, which were all like five credit cards and were all at the limit or over the limit. But, I am repaying that debt at the Credit Union at a very low rate of interest. So I got rid of that, and I committed myself not to get any credit cards.

Pastor Doug: I want to recommend you call another program, because I know you do not have the internet. There is Christian Financial Concepts. I think they air on our network here in Sacramento, and I am sure they are across the country. It is Crowned Financial.

Dennis: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: Again it is a Christian counseling program, specifically for finances.

Dennis: Okay.

Pastor Doug: And they have got their black belt in helping people, and they will send you some free literature. We don’t have that much on this, but we do have a lesson that deals with tithes and offerings. But, not so much for stewardship like this.

Dennis: Well, for tithes and offerings, I give whatever the Holy Spirit convicts me to give. I never gave a lot when I was backsliding, but now- it was a little bit of a burden. But the Holy Spirit told me don’t be afraid to give that 100-dollar bill. And don’t be looking for that dollar bill, so I gave a 100-dollar bill to a ministry that was blessing me today and you know, I feel good about it.

Pastor Doug: Well, you know the Holy Spirit will lead you, but God also has Scriptures about how to give in an intelligent way. I mean you don’t want to just be doing it willy nilly without thinking, and God will help you to have wisdom and He does have a plan both for saving and for giving. He wants you--

Pastor Dick: He wants you to be consistent. That’s the key Dennis. He wants you to be consistent.

Pastor Doug: Well, I hope that helps a little bit. And contact Christian Financial Concepts. Thanks so much, Dennis.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Dennis. Let’s go to Sacramento, California next Craig is listening on KFIA. Hello Craig.

Craig: Hi how is it going?

Pastor Dick: Get real close to your phone; please Craig we can barely hear you.

Craig: Okay can you hear me now?

Pastor Dick: Much better.

Craig: Okay. First I want to say welcome back, and glad you had a safe trip.

Pastor Doug: Thank you.

Craig: I was at work with a gentleman, and we are close friends and we were talking about the relationship between Elijah and Moses.

Pastor Doug: Umm-hmm okay.

Craig: And how they showed up to Jesus. And the prophecies spoken of them in Revelation, and I just wanted to know if these are the same two witnesses that are spoken of?

Pastor Doug: Well yes and no. Let me explain that. The last verse in the Old Testament says, and this is Malachi 4: 4 “Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:” (KJV) and they were with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration and they represent the word of God. Moses is the law and Elijah is the prophets. Moses was the great law giver and Elijah the great prophet. When you get to the two witnesses in Revelation Chapter 11, it talks about these two witnesses and many people think it is Moses and Elijah. It is, in the sense that it is the law and the prophets in other words it is the word of God that they symbolize, but it talks about them in this prophecy of them being killed and lying in the street for 3 and ½ days and their dead bodies raising again. Moses and Elijah are in heaven now and they have eternal life and glorified bodies and they are not coming down to earth and dying and lying in the streets. It is talking about an attack on the word of God in Revelation Chapter 11. So Moses and Elijah do represent the word of God, but they are not going to actually die and lie in the streets as talked about in Revelation 11.

Craig: Oh okay.

Pastor Doug: They are the two witnesses, the double-edged sword, the law and the prophet.

Craig: Okay.

Pastor Doug: Someone just reminded me this week that in the temple there are two stacks of bread and six in each stack. One is the law and one is the prophets. And God always uses in the mouth of two or three witnesses let everything be established and that is what Moses and Elijah represent is the word of God.

Pastor Dick: To Apopka, Florida. Edgewedge is listening on WHIM welcome Edgewedge.

Edgewedge: Yeah I am--

Pastor Doug: Get close to your phone.

Edgewedge: Well, I wanted to know which Bible is the best one I can study out of?

Pastor Doug: You mean like the best English translation?

Edgewedge: Yes.

Pastor Doug: Well, the one I am sharing with you now is just based on my personal study, and Pastor Dick is welcome to weigh in. When I preach, I typically use the New King James Version. I have a printing of the New King James version called the Alton Bible because it has some great study helps in it, but the King James and the New King James are my favorites. I do use other versions I do have here on my computer it is a quick verse program and I have ten different versions right here. But, Pastor Dick may have a favorite.

Pastor Dick: Well, I use the New King James Version. I started with the King James Version and as a young Christian found it difficult to read.

Pastor Doug: The antiquated words.

Pastor Dick: The antiquated words and switched to a couple of other versions and eventually settled on the New King James Version. And I have been very pleased with it for several years.

Pastor Doug: I hope that helps a little.

Edgewedge: Alright, thank you.

Pastor Doug: Thanks for the call. God bless.

Pastor Dick: Let’s go to Boston, Massachusetts and Louise is listening on WEZE; welcome Louise.

Louise: Yes, I have a question and my question is; should I fellowship with a group of Christians who do not observe communion?

Pastor Doug: Well, that is a good question, and I don’t know if I have ever had that before. If they are Christians let me ask this Louise why wouldn’t they celebrate the Lord’s Supper? I mean, they don’t do it weekly or they never do it?

Louise: They just don’t observe it and they just don’t observe it.

Pastor Doug: Well, I would keep shopping if I were you because you know Jesus said do it in remembrance of Him. And there are only two sacraments that the Lord gave. The new Christian church and the one is Baptism and then other is the Lord’s Supper. And for them to say that this is not important I think that this is reckless teaching. And I would look for a church that is more Biblically based.

Pastor Dick: Umm-hmm yeah.

Louise: I will, and thank you.

Pastor Doug: Okay. Thank You, God bless.

Pastor Dick: To Laconia, Michigan where Brett is, welcome Brett.

Brett: Hello, Pastor Doug and Pastor Dick.

Pastor Doug: Hi, thanks for calling and your question because we have just a couple of minutes so you had better hurry.

Brett: Are Christian holidays like Christmas and Easter are they really Biblical? Well, because I really can’t find them in annex that way.

Pastor Doug: Well, I can’t answer that in one or two words. Let me explain. There is no command in the Bible to remember the birth of Christ. Jesus was more than likely not born the 25th of December. He was probably born in the fall. That was a date that was adopted by the church because it was the winter solstice and it was already a popular holiday in the Roman Empire. So the date for the 25th of December was really adopted from the pagans. Is it a sin to remember the birth of Christ? No, there’s not a command to do it. Easter does, though, on the other hand come during the Jewish Passover which is in the Bible. But, we are never commanded to celebrate the resurrection. What the Bible tells us to do to remember the resurrection is it says Baptism is a symbol of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Is it wrong to remember the resurrection? No, I think it would be wrong to ignore it. Does it only need to be done during only one day of the year? No, the Bible does not say that. So I hope that gives you a little background, and now there is a lot of paganism attached to some of these holidays. I mean, nothing in the Bible talks about Easter bunnies and chicks and egg hunts and—

Brett: Right.

Pastor Doug: That all comes from pagan.

Brett: Fertility?

Pastor Doug: Fertility festivals. Yeah, and as Christmas had to do with a lot of it, had to so with solar worship and things and so avoid the pagan trappings, but morally there is nothing wrong with remembering the birth or the resurrection of Christ. Okay?

Brett: Okay, a lot of people have been blessed by your recent magazine on temptation.

Pastor Doug: Oh, well I am glad to hear that, and praise the Lord.

Brett: I am an Instructor of the Bible over the internet, and a lot of people are coming back.

Pastor Doug: I am going to try and turn that into a book you know, because we wanted to get it to where it is on a regular basis in people’s hands.

Brett: Okay, praise the Lord and have a good week.

Pastor Doug: Thank you Brett. God bless you.

Pastor Dick: Brett thanks for the call. Looks like we are just about out of time and we wanted to talk about this book that “Amazing Facts” has published.

Pastor Doug: Yes, listening to “Amazing Facts dot org” you will see that we have compiled “Amazing Facts” for our last seven years of programs into a book of amazing facts and I think there are several hundred amazing facts and some of them are long studies or rather things on nature, science and history others are a little one or two sentences. But, it is great for Pastors and teachers and as a resource of public speaking and just for reading because I have given the book to kids this week, and they just sat and read it through all these amazing facts.

Pastor Dick: Amen.

Pastor Doug: If you send us a donation any size we will send you a copy of this book and we will do it gladly. And the address Pastor Dick will give to you in a minute and please keep in mind that we are a faith based ministry and we do need your support. Tell your friends about us and also take advantage of all the resources at the “Amazing Facts dot org” website. Most of all remember that Jesus is the truth that sets you free.




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