Spider Silk

Date: 08/24/2003 
One of the most amazing materials in nature is the light, and flexible yet incredibly strong compound that spiders use to catch unsuspecting insects. It’s spider silk.
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Hello friends, this is Doug Batchelor. How about an amazing fact? One of the most amazing materials in nature is the light, and flexible yet incredibly strong compound that spiders use to catch unsuspecting insects. It’s spider silk. Pound per pound, the threads produced by these little arachnids, can hold more weight than the most sophisticated manufactured materials. The silk in a spider’s web, is an extremely strong substance that has a tensile strength of 300,000 pounds per square inch. And it is both stronger and lighter than those compounds based on steel. For a long time, people have known about the impressive properties of spider silk, and some have dreamed of being able to create it; perhaps, the way the ancient Chinese learned to produce silk from silk worms. But, unlike the gentle silk worms; spiders are aggressive, and territorial, and not easily domesticated.

Up until now all attempts to synthesize spider silk has failed. But, a new venture involving gene splicing, is showing considerable promise. A Canadian Company, Nexxia Bio Technology, appears on the verge of manufacturing a substance similar to spider silk, through a surprising method, the milk of goats. Researchers put the spider silk gene into milk animals since there are close anatomical similarities between the silk producing gland of spiders and the milk producing glands of these mammals. The scientists spliced the spider silk gene, into cells taken from the mammary glands of goats; and the silk genes work with amazing efficiency in the mammary glands. And Nexxia scientists were soon producing high quality spider silk. Now the challenge will be to mass breed these transgenetic goats, and extract the pure silk protein from the milk and spin it into fabric. If the new stock of genetically altered goats produce as expected; Nexxia will have the beginnings of spider silk milk dairy early next year. The product will be called bio-steel. Many can soon be using some of this for a variety of applications, from medical sutures, to artificial tendons, or ligaments.

It could be used to create lighter and stronger bullet proof vests. And even the coating for space stations to protect them from micro meteorites. It has been suggested that if a strand of spider silk could be produced; as thick as a pencil, it could stop a Boeing 747 in flight. It is interesting to consider how many of man’s discoveries have been plagiarizing from the amazing creatures that God has designed. The most amazing fact is that many people think all of these wonders of nature have evolved by chance. Stay with us friends, and we are going to learn more as “Amazing Facts” brings you this edition of “Bible Answers Live”.


Pastor Doug: Welcome. Welcome friends to another edition of “Bible Answers Live”. And we know there are always people who might be tuning in through providence, or accident for the first time. This is a live, interactive Bible study program and you are invited and indeed encouraged to participate. All you have to do is pick up the phone and call the toll free number that is; 1-800-GOD-SAYS, and that translates to 1-800-463-7297. We’re here to answer any Bible related questions you might have. We don’t consider ourselves experts on finance or romance, or so many of the issues you might find on talk radio. But we will search the word of God together, to find any answers to the questions that really matter most. And so if you have a question, we still have some lines open now is a good time to call. The number is 1-800-GOD-SAYS or 1-800-463-7297, and people are tuned in now across the country, and across the ocean. My name is Doug Batchelor.

Pastor Dick: And my name is Dick Devitt. And every evening Pastor Doug, we start with a word of prayer, so let’s do that. Father in heaven it is a joy and a privilege, for us to come together, and open the word of God and share with our friends around the country. And I pray heavenly Father that You will go before us, that You will enlighten our hearts, and our minds, and teach us clearly Lord, speak to us as we seek to answer questions from the word of God. We thank You Lord for doing this for us, even before we ask. You have the answers prepared and thank You Lord. In Jesus’ name. Amen.

Pastor Doug: Amen.

Pastor Dick: That really is an amazing fact about spider silk being able to stop a Boeing 747 in flight. You’re a pilot Doug I know, and you have a plane of your own, and can you imagine?

Pastor Doug: I don’t think they have tested that yet, but someone was trying to figure out based on the size of the spiders’ silk; if they could produce a piece that large based on its’ tensile strength. But, can you imagine spiders, they will catch a dragon fly going by and it is a little bitty thread. I mean it is not big and it stops it.

Pastor Dick: It is. The elasticity of the spider silk is amazing.

Pastor Doug: It is. It is fantastic, but there are so many examples Dick, in nature where man has taken some of the incredible genius that God has built into His creatures. Now dragon flies for instance, I understand that Sikorsky studied the dragon fly to develop the helicopter.

Pastor Dick: Right.

Pastor Doug: And I know that they have studied the head of woodpeckers; to develop the helmets for the NFL football player’s team to protect their heads from others so their brains don’t get destroyed. The skulls of woodpeckers are incredible. And then there are a number of these examples through nature where people have just looked at what God did… and yet some people still believe it has all evolved slowly by chance.

Pastor Dick: Oh yeah.

Pastor Doug: And it is sad because the wonders in nature testify to a creator. And there must be people out there, who have wondered about that. And said you know there must be a God, and what can I know about God from the things He has made?

Pastor Dick: Many people have called the book of nature, God’s second book if you will, because so many things in nature point to His creative genius. It is just a variety of things made by the Lord. Well we have special offer we want to make available to our callers tonight Pastor Doug. It is called “Amazing Wonders of Creation,” a little quick and convincing study of how the mysteries of the universe of God’s creation; land and sea support the Biblical account of the creation story. If you would like a copy of the amazing wonders of creation, call our resource operators at; 1-800-835-6747 and ask for this book, and we will send it out to you this evening. “Amazing Wonders of Creation” 1-800-835-6747. As we usually do Pastor Doug, let’s take a couple of internet questions before we go to the phones.

Pastor Doug: Okay.

Pastor Dick: The first one is a question that we don’t receive often, but we have had it in the past. And it says Doug, a relative of mine believes in Jesus as the Son of God. But also feels that she has been here before, as in reincarnation. What are the Biblical facts that I can show her, to dissuade her from this?

Pastor Doug: Well I will give a Biblical fact in just a moment. The first thing I will say is that I used to believe that. And I know you haven’t always been a Christian Pastor Dick, I don’t know if you ever went down the road of some of these Eastern religions, but I used to believe in reincarnation. And you have these déjà vu experiences like I have done this, or been here before.

Pastor Dick: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: A lot of people have taken that to mean a former life, in reality it often happens is our minds are so fast, they are faster than the fastest computer processor. That our eyes, and our ears, and our senses will take in a situation, and store it in the mind subconsciously before the conscious gets there. And by the time the conscious is able to process that; your mind says, wow it is already there. I have a feeling that I have been here before, when actually the conscious mind is now catching up with the subconscious.

Pastor Dick: Okay.

Pastor Doug: And so… but in the Bible it is very clear that there is one reincarnation, we will be resurrected for a judgment and a reward. But, in Hebrews 9, it says it is appointed unto man once to die, and after this the judgment. Now we don’t keep coming back, and the Bible is very clear on this as there is nothing in the Scriptures teach than, we have one life to choose our eternal destiny.

Pastor Dick: So our famous story about Saul being brought back from the dead and…

Pastor Doug: You mean Samuel?

Pastor Dick: I mean Samuel, brought back from the dead isn’t true?

Pastor Doug: No that of course, is because of course he went to a witch.

Pastor Dick: The witch of Endor right?

Pastor Doug: He may have been creating illusions and talking to the devil, but a witch certainly doesn’t have the power to resurrect one of God’s prophets.

Pastor Dick: Alright. And the bosom of Abraham is not really--

Pastor Doug: You know I think the reason that the devil loves to teach evolution is, not evolution I am sorry, we are getting our subjects mixed up.

Pastor Dick: Reincarnation.

Pastor Doug: Reincarnation is that people say; you know I will not take this life too seriously because I’ll keep getting chances. And there are millions…I’ve been to India, and there are millions if not billions that believe that this life is not that consequential, because I will get to just keep coming back until I get it right.

Pastor Dick: Umm-hmm. Right.

Pastor Doug: We have one life, and friends you have this life to choose your master.

Pastor Dick: Okay let’s go on to our next question in Isaiah 45:7, it seems to suggest that God creates sin and wickedness. Is this true?

Pastor Doug: Well the Bible tells us that God is pure, and holy, and just, and good. So when people read here in Isaiah 45:7, let me read here for our listeners. “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” And there it says I create evil. (KJV) And people say God is good, so why would God create evil? And he is using this phrase, and notice he is making some parallel contrasts between light and darkness. Darkness is not necessarily bad; I mean that is how we have our night. And Jesus said; “God sends both the rain and the sunshine.” Well you need both the rain and the sunshine.

Pastor Dick: Right, right.

Pastor Doug: So here when He says; I make peace and create evil, the word evil means trouble in the Hebrew dictionary. You and I looked it up before the program, and God often sends judgment, He and sends trouble to evil doers.

Pastor Dick: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: And that is the way He is saying it, that the opposite of peace is turmoil. Well the opposite of light is darkness.

Pastor Dick: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: And so that is all that God is saying, I am the one who can do both. I can send you light, and darkness, and I can send you peace, and trouble based on our behavior.

Pastor Dick: And in the New Testament, it is suggested that these trials, and these troubles that come our way, help to develop our character you know, and our perseverance.

Pastor Doug: And you know it is the same way, you know when God allowed the troubles to come to Job.

Pastor Dick: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: It was the devil that really brought the trouble, but God did allow; He gave Satan limited license.

Pastor Dick: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: And it was used to encourage in the end.

Pastor Dick: Yeah. Okay very good. Well let’s go to the phones.

Pastor Doug: Alright, I am ready.

Pastor Dick: Okay we want to take our first caller of this evening, from Lexington, Kentucky. Joe is listening on WJMM, welcome Joe to the program.

Joe: Yeah hi. How are you doing guys?

Pastor Doug: Good thanks for your call.

Joe: Oh no problem, and I have a quick question on Ephesians 2:8 & 9. It says “For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not from yourself. It is the gift of God, and not by works so that no one can boast.”

Pastor Doug: Yes.

Joe: This past Sunday we were studying Romans, and our teacher, he brought up this verse, and he was asking us what is the gift of God? He made us think a little bit, and I have heard this verse many, many times. But, what do you guys think that the gift of God is?

Pastor Doug: Well I think John 3:16 has the key there. God so loved the world He gave His son. And wrapped up in the package of Jesus, God gave Himself.

Joe: Umm-hmm. [That is the most beautiful thought I have ever heard anyone express in my life, Pastor Doug. God bless you.]

Pastor Doug: And He gave His love because God is love, but the gift…you know, sometimes you’ll get your children a gift and they’ll have a number of pieces. If you buy them Legos; they have a lot of pieces. But, it is one gift, and in the one gift of Jesus, God wrapped many things. He showed His love. He showed His character. He gave us life; Christ said I am life. He gave us the living water of His Spirit because, Christ is the one who purchased the right for the filling of the Spirit. And so it is all wrapped up in Jesus, because God so loved the world that He gave His son…

Joe: Right and go ahead.

Pastor Doug: Okay.

Pastor Dick: Well I was going to say in 1 Corinthians it says these three remain, faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of these is love.

Pastor Doug: And you know, one more thing Joe is I don’t think we should over complicate this because the answer is in the verse.

Joe: Sure.

Pastor Doug: It says, for by grace you are saved through faith; not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Well what is the gift? The gift is of salvation. He is saying you don’t earn the salvation, because salvation is a gift.

Joe: Umm-hmm. Yeah because in Romans, it talks about that just God gives us the faith in Romans 12, I believe it talks about God giving us that faith. So we can make that decision. So I never heard it that way, and so I thought hey, just let me give you guys a call, and see what they think. But, yeah it was just a little twist on it, but yeah I did read it in Romans about God giving us that faith, because faith is like the channel where grace can come through. And that is the gift He has given us.

Pastor Doug: Well the greatest gift ultimately is Salvation. He gives us the tools to embrace that Salvation.

Joe: Right.

Pastor Doug: And faith is one of them if you look in Acts Chapter 2 it says that God gives us repentance, and even repentance is a gift.

Pastor Dick: Umm-hmm.

Joe: Wow.

Pastor Doug: So everything that is necessary for Salvation, is given as a gift, but it is Salvation, and it comes through Jesus. So I hope that helps, okay Joe?

Joe: Wow, that does, and thank you very much.

Pastor Doug: Alright thanks for the call.

Pastor Dick: Joe thanks for the call. God bless.

Joe: Alright bye.

Pastor Dick: To Columbia, South Carolina, and Eric is listening on WBAJ, hi Eric.

Eric: Hi, how are you all doing?

Pastor Dick: Good,and your question please?

Eric: My question is real quick, I will try to spell it out. It is how come in the Old Testament; it would be justifiable to stone someone who commits adultery? But, then the same God thru Jesus, comes here, and with marriage He just shows forgiveness where there was you know…it was kind of like blatant sin. And it tells us that we should not stone someone.

Pastor Doug: That’s a good question, because Jesus is the one I believe who gave Moses the Ten Commandments. Follow me, if you read in the New Testament, it says that all things that were made, were made by Him. Have you read that?

Eric: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: Speaking of Jesus so that would include the law. So here Jesus is the great law giver, and does He now say it is okay to commit adultery? Obviously not, I believe when He said to Mary, neither do I condemn you. He didn’t say I don’t think you are guilty. He didn’t say that adultery wasn’t a sin, because as soon as she leaves…and this is John Chapter 8 for our listening friends; as soon as she leaves Jesus says to her go and sin no more. He is calling adultery a sin, and we know the penalty for sin is death. I believe this is one of the examples in the Bible of an unspoken communication. Jesus took her death penalty. That is why Mary is one of the first ones at the resurrection. And she is the one who is there at the tomb first. I think she recognized that the penalty was still death, but He stepped between the crowd that was going to stone her, and He says I will take it for you, which is the plan of Salvation. Now in the Old Testament God was merciful there, too. You can read in Exodus 34; where the Lord says that He is merciful, and gracious, and long suffering, and abundance in goodness and truth; keeping mercy for thousands forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin. Now, there are two ways you always want to look at the laws and sin Eric. First of all, there is a government approach. The government approach is an eye for an eye, and tooth for tooth. The government approach in Biblical times was that, adultery was a sin. Then you get the personal approach. If someone strikes you on one cheek; you turn the other. They had that right in the Old Testament, too, one is the one dealing with a government role, and civil laws and the other is the interpersonal relationship. Jesus dealt with Mary on an interpersonal basis.

Eric: Okay that makes a lot more sense. Thank you, Doug. Your ministry is great, and I love listening to you guys.

Pastor Doug: Thank you so much.

Pastor Dick: Thank you Eric God bless. To Brooklyn, New York Gary is listening on WMCA; hi Gary.

Gary: Yes, good evening gentlemen.

Pastor Doug: Good evening.

Gary: Yes, I would like explanation on Deuteronomy 12:15.

Pastor Doug: Okay and 12:15, it says “Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.” (KJV) Now I am reading this in the King James Version and it doesn’t mean that you can eat clean or unclean food. It is just talking about people who may or may not be ceremonially unclean and they can still eat in these beasts that are identified of and all of these beasts that are identified are clean beasts. Notice he says here the roebuck and the hart? Those are two deer creatures.

Gary: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: Okay so as they travel to the place that God specified for sacrifices; He said that when you are enroute, you are free to eat whatever comes your way whether you are ceremonially clean or unclean you may eat of these things. And these were the clean beasts that it is identifying. Okay? See it begins in Deuteronomy 12:14 that God had not yet told them that the temple would be built in Jerusalem. He was saying that when you enter the Promised Land that I will pick a place that will be the primary place that sacrifices will be brought. But, in that place where the Lord shall choose and He hasn’t chosen Jerusalem yet for those tribes and they were to go up there for three yearly feasts.

Pastor Dick: Right.

Pastor Doug: And this is the laws regarding going to those feasts.

Gary: Oh okay. Thank you.

Pastor Doug: Okay thank you.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Gary. Let’s go next to Mount Vernon, New York where Shelley is listening on WMCA. Welcome Shelley.

Shelley: Hi Pastor Dick. Good evening Pastor Doug.

Pastor Doug: Good evening.

Shelley: I have a question about tithing. I know that we are supposed to give back a tenth of our income or whatever. My question specifically is it one tenth of the pre tax amount or after tax what you take home you give back to the Lord?

Pastor Doug: Well let me tell you the principle and then you can help me with the answer alright? I think that once you understand the principle then it becomes clearer.

Shelley: Okay.

Pastor Doug: Your income is money that comes to you from your work that is your increase. Now let’s suppose you have a fruit stand and you sell apples and it costs you two dollars to buy apples that it then costs you to sell at five dollars. How much is your increase?

Shelley: Three dollars.

Pastor Doug: Alright exactly so you would pay tithes on three dollars. Otherwise if you paid your tithe on apples costing 4 dollars and fifty cants and you made fifty cents and you paid tithes on five dollars you would have nothing left. Do you see what I am saying?

Shelley: Exactly.

Pastor Doug: So the first principle we establish is what increase is. The next thing is when you get your pay check; we have different bills. One of the bills you may have in our country is a house payment, a car payment; you have got groceries and a variety of bills that are a part of life. One of your bills is the taxes to keep the streets clean and to take care of a bunch of the government services those are taxes, but that is a bill. It is right along with groceries and everything else and just because they take it out of your check in advance it is just because they are greedy; they want to make sure that they get it. But, that doesn’t mean that it isn’t something that you have earned. It is the same way depending on who you work for; they may take for medical insurance out of your paycheck or you may buy your own. It is a bill of life so Karen and I we pay our paycheck based on what the gross increase is before they take out the taxes and medical or whatever else. Then we pay tithes because if we just paid tithes on what we have left a lot of us have nothing left. We have too much month left at the end of the paycheck it is the average American. So God wants us to pay on the increase. And we cannot wait until we see if we have anything left after we pay bills because our commitment to God should be first.

Shelley: So what you are saying is pay and give back to the Lord a tenth of what you earn that is your gross.

Pastor Doug: Exactly. Now keep in mind that when you get your tax return you d not have to pay tithe because you have already paid on that in gross.

Shelley: Right okay. And there is no room—this is the definitive answer then?

Pastor Doug: Well I think it is one I feel principally comfortable with and Biblically correct. Can I give you a book that says more about this?

Shelley: Sure.

Pastor Doug: Don’t let that title scare you. It is called “Thieves in the Church” by Joe Crews and it has an intimidating title, but it is a good book and we will send it to you for free. It is the book on tithing.

Shelley: Thank you.

Pastor Dick: Shelley, Shelley I’d like you to call our resource operator and call 1-800-835-6747 ask for the book “Thieves in the Church” 1-800-835-6747.

Shelley: Alright. Thank you very much and have a good evening.

Pastor Dick: You are welcome and God bless.

Shelley: Bye-bye.

Pastor Dick: And if you have a Bible related question you can call us here at the studios 1-900-GOD-SAYS that’s 1-800-463-7297.

Pastor Doug: Everybody is out at State fairs across the county tonight.

Pastor Dick: That’s right. The California State fair is going on right across the street from us.

Pastor Doug: That’s right.

Pastor Dick: That’s right. We have a couple of lines open if you have a Bible related question. Now would be the time to call. Pastor Doug to Van Nuys, California; Steve is listening to us welcome Steve.

Steve: Hi and how are you?

Pastor Dick: Very good thanks and your question please?

Steve: My question is regarding Paul. Some friends at work were wondering whether he was ever married or single.

Pastor Doug: That’s a good question. Some people argue that Paul was and I am going to tell you that I do not know the definite answer. I think it is possible that Paul had been married and that his wife either died or left him when he became a Christian. Because as part of the Sanhedrin and the Pharisees; marriage was just like taking the bar I mean you had to experience family before you could serve on the Sanhedrin and that was something in the in Jewish laws and something that the instill in their Rabbis today. But, of course you never hear about his wife and it may be that either she had died and he was widowed or she left him when he became a Christian, the Bible does not give a definite answer. Paul seems to know an awful lot about marriage. And he talks even about intimacy in marriage and marriage squabbles and about husband and wives loving each other. Paul says more about marriage than any other apostle so it sounds like he knows what he is talking about. But, you never hear about Mrs. Paul if he had been married and he is either widowed or she left him and he never remarried.

Steve: Yeah because what this person told me that they were thinking that he wasn’t married because he had—he said that was a verse that said that some people become eunuchs for the kingdom of God which means that they on purpose do not get married.

Pastor Doug: Actually it is Jesus who says that. It wasn’t Paul. Paul said that some people can be as I; unmarried, but Christ is the one who said some are made eunuchs’ for the kingdom of God that was Jesus.

Steve: Oh okay, but on the part where Jesus said what you just said right now; Paul said he--

Pastor Doug: Paul did say that would that all men were even as I and he meant he was unmarried, but he never used the word eunuch.

Steve: So would that mean that he was saying he wasn’t ever married? I mean right now I just think that it catches my attention on that.

Pastor Doug: Well just keep in mind that when Paul said this he was not saying there was anything wrong with marriage because he goes on later and says the marriage bed is undefiled and to marry is good and Paul says a lot of positive things. Christianity was an illegal religion and to get married to have children… I mean you didn’t get married without having children in the Bible times. They didn’t have all the birth control apparatuses that they have got today and to get married and bring children into the world where the husband could very likely be killed for his faith was not a very prudent thing to do. And that is why Paul was encouraging celibacy because he said you have got to be thinking about this; it is going to be hard to be serving the Lord if you are thrown into prison, and care for your family and you might be better off as me. And he was also talking about people in ministry, it’s hard be an itinerate minister and as the say in Jewish and Yiddish schlepping your family all over the Roman Empire. So I think that is what he was dealing with okay Steve?

Steve: Okay.

Pastor Doug: Hope that helps a little.

Steve: Yeah it does. I am still wondering about that, but I am glad you gave me that answer.

Pastor Doug: Yeah I wish I could give you a definitive answer, but the Bible is vague on this subject.

Steve: Okay thanks for trying though. Bye.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Steve. Pastor Doug our engineer has just given us the signal and we are going to take a break for our midway point of the program. And so we would do an injustice to take a call from somebody.

Pastor Doug: Yeah if we take a call and have to cut them off.

Pastor Dick: Right.

Pastor Doug: Right after they mention what it is they question, but this is a good time for us to remind people that “Amazing Facts” has an ever growing ministry on the internet.

Pastor Dick: Amen.

Pastor Doug: Yeah a matter of fact we are registering a new website that we will be announcing in a few weeks and of course we have the “Bible University” website, the “Bible Universe” website, the “Amazing Facts” website at “Amazingfacts.org,” and you can go on line there now. A lot of the free books that we give away you can read online. Download them and read them at your leisure. Just go to where it says library we have got past articles from what we call” Our Inside Report” that is our monthly magazine. Oh I thought of something I haven’t mentioned for a little while; and no friends I’m not running for Governor. The thing that I want to mention is that people can sign up for a free subscription for our magazine Inside Report and we have Biblical articles that tell about special products that we make available… exciting things happening around the world and our country. You can log on at our website and say I’d like to have a free subscription “The Inside Report” magazine.

Pastor Dick: That’s right.

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Pastor Doug: Welcome Once again to those who were with us, welcome back. And to those who have just joined us we’re glad you are tuned in to “Bible Answers Live,” a live interactive Bible study across the country and around the world. Now on 130 stations and if you’d like to participate just give us a phone call we still have one line open. That is 1-800-GOD-SAYS or 1-800-463-7297 and I am Doug Batchelor.

Pastor Dick: And I am Dick Devitt. Pastor Doug we want to go to Lexington, Kentucky Alisha is listening for the first time on WJMM welcome Alisha.

Alisha: Hi guys how is it going?

Pastor Doug: Good and your question?

Alisha: Okay Romans 4:18-22 talks about Abraham regarding the promise of a son through Sarah. It is regarding an offspring and then in verse 20 it says he did not waiver in unbelief regarding the promise and it just keeps going on to say that is how he was credited his righteousness, but I thought that… didn’t he sleep with Hagar, while he was waiting?

Pastor Doug: Yeah. Well it is referring back to the verse in Romans where it says… Romans is referring back to where it says that Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Alisha: Yes.

Pastor Doug: And when God first made this promise to Abraham he believed it.

Alisha: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: And so that is found in what Genesis 17?

Alisha: Okay let me check because what was confusing me was when…

Pastor Doug: You were thinking about later when he many years after the promise and he did not have a baby that he tended to have doubts and that’s when he took Hagar.

Alisha: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: Paul is referring where to when God first gave him the promise because he was still already an old man, but he believed God. But, then I forget... by the time Sarah was what ninety.

Pastor Dick: Yes, ninety; I think.

Pastor Doug: He said by the time she got to be eighty something and let me see I’m doing math backwards in my head… Ishmael was about thirteen.

Alisha: She was eighty-five.

Pastor Doug: And yeah she was about eighty-five at that point when she got the idea to bring Hagar into that. Is that correct?

Alisha: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: And you can understand why he began to have doubts, but when God first gave him the promise he believed Him and it said that God credited him with righteousness, because of his faith and that is what Paul is referring back to. Later he did have doubts it is true. Is that what you are wondering about because this sounds like a conflict?

Alisha: Yeah because I didn’t know that we were talking about the initial reaction to the promise. I thought it seemed like God was saying although he had been through an affair, but God was still saying he was righteous.

Pastor Doug: Well he wasn’t righteous in the affair that was the place where he stumbled.

Alisha: Yeah, but this passage is talking about that he initially once he heard the he believed and that is all it is talking about?

Pastor Doug: Yes, when it was first given.

Alisha: Okay. Thank you.

Pastor Doug: Alright.

Pastor Dick: Thanks Alisha.

Alisha: Alrighty bye.

Pastor Dick: To Ashville, North Carolina Marcus is listening on the internet welcome Marcus.

Marcus: Thank you and thank you.

Pastor Dick: And your question please?

Marcus: Alright my question is about how is God going to deal with a person who have mental health disorders... bi-polar or schizoid or psychotic disorders in their behaviors?

Pastor Doug: Okay get real close I can barely hear you.

Marcus: People that their emotions over ride their decisions and their willingness to choose right because they are in positivity, and they have these psychotic disorders or just bi-polar disorders how is God--

Pastor Doug: How is God going to judge them or their situation? Well first of all I am not a doctor, but I will do my best to give you my perspective based on my study of the Bible. There are some people who have mental illness that is based on valid chemical imbalances. That obviously God is not going to judge people the same way in those situations, there are some people who obviously have mental illness… I think some diagnosis of bi-polar is demonic possession. People seem to act totally normal and all of a sudden they’re possessed by this spirit and they become psychopathic and evil… and you know those who don’t believe in God they scoff at the idea that there could be any demonic influence. They think it’s a joke, or they think it’s uneducated… and I used to be one of those people. But I see some of these folks when they become possessed, now that’s different from people whose emotions swing between ups and downs based on chemical imbalances. One obvious evidence of this is… you supply the lacking chemicals and they’re normal.

Pastor Dick: And often times they will express a belief in God.

Marcus: Are there any examples in the Bible, about people like that?

Pastor Doug: Let me think for a minute. Well I know of one example not in the Bible, that comes to mind. He’s a great hymn writer the one who wrote the hymn “Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing” it is in most church hymn books, that was a person who had a deep relationship with the Lord. But, he, I believe had a physiological mental illness. In other words, it wasn’t a spiritual mental illness and he went through terrible bouts of depression and he ultimately committed suicide. But, you can look at the lyrics and the words, he had a relationship with God and he knew the Lord and you know I hope to see him in the kingdom. Some people it is just a sickness of the mind just like a person might have some physiological sickness. It could be leukemia, cancer or a mental illness. And then there are the spiritual possessions which is different and some people invite demonic possession because of their behavior and that is different, I think God will relate to that differently. Do you understand what I am saying?

Marcus: Yes, I do. Thank you.

Pastor Doug: Okay.

Pastor Dick: Well there were characters in the Bible that had great fits of anger or--

Pastor Doug: Well Saul… I think of Saul.

Pastor Dick: I think of Peter, who cut off Malchus’ ear, and he was very compulsive and had a very heavy temper and yet obviously he’s going to be saved in Gods’ kingdom.

Pastor Doug: The reason I mention Saul is because he is an example of someone who demonstrated all the ear marks of being bi-polar. I am talking about scientifically, but it was really demon possession.

Pastor Dick: Right.

Pastor Doug: And he invited it through disobedience so that’s an example of going through these big swings up and down.

Pastor Dick: Okay Marcus thanks for the call.

Marcus: Thank you so much.

Pastor Dick: Alright you bet. Let’s go next to Fort Lauderdale, Florida and Sam is listening on WCNO; welcome Sam.

Sam: Thank you for taking my call. My question is regarding... a lot of times you hear most people describe or believe that heaven is eternal; but yet there is mentioned I believe in Revelation to a 1000 years. I was just hoping that you can clarify that for me.

Pastor Doug: Yes, but before I even do I will send you a free book after I answer your question. If you will just call and it is called “Satan in Chains”. I was just looking at that again today it is one we carry and it is a great book. “Satan in Chains” and Dick will give you the phone number in a minute. But technically when we say heaven that word is used for paradise the saved. When we go up into this place where God has His headquarters now that’s called heaven or paradise, Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you and that is where He is now. When we pray Our Father in heaven when Paul talks about someone caught up to the third heaven. We are really only spending 1000 years there and then the Bible says the New Jerusalem comes down to earth. God creates a new heaven and a new earth and that is why Jesus said blessed are the meek they shall inherit the earth. Ultimately we will live on this recreated earth where there is no death or dying and we will build houses and inhabit them. So, technically we spend 1000 years up yonder, but then heaven will be on earth cause God dwells with us.

Sam: Okay.

Pastor Doug: So paradise; the New Jerusalem comes down to earth and the Garden of Eden is in the New Jerusalem and the tree of life and paradise will be here, but you are technically correct; we will spend 1000 years up there.

Sam: Okay.

Pastor Doug: And read the lesson it gives a lot more information.

Pastor Dick: Call our resource operator Sam and ask for that book at 1-800-835-6747. Ask for “Satan in Chains”.

Sam: Alright thank you very much.

Pastor Dick: Alright, thanks for the call. Let’s go next to the Bronx where Deborah is listening on WMCA, hi Deborah. Deborah are you there? Deborah I think you may have stepped away from your phone.

Pastor Doug: Deborah?

Deborah: Yeah I am here.

Pastor Doug: I thought I heard her pick up the phone. You are on! We were waiting for you with baited breath.

Deborah: Yeah I am going to be honest with you I listen to this radio station all the time and—

Pastor Doug: You need to turn off the radio in the background because it is going to confuse you.

Deborah: And I consider myself a person who has a strong faith in Jesus Christ as God. So I was listening to Franklin Story speaking, he was filling in for the [inaudible] show, anyway he asked people to call in and say what built their faith in Jesus Christ as God? So I called in and I was trying to quote a passage from the Bible that stated; that when you hear the same message from two different people God is in between. And I told him that this is what built my faith in God and he said no it doesn’t. He said that is a passage in the Bible that will lead a person to a cult or into witchcraft, and I don’t know exactly where that passage is in the Bible.

Pastor Doug: I know the Bible fairly well Deborah and I have ever heard that passage; say it for me again.

Deborah: That if a person hears the same message from two different people that God is in between or God is among them.

Pastor Doug: Well let me tell you some Scriptures that are similar and you tell me if anything rings a bell okay? There is a place where it says in a multitude of counselors there is safety. If you get several Godly counselors giving you advice, then there is a good chance that God is speaking through them. Then there is a place where Jesus said; in Matthew 18:16, “In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.”

Deborah: That one.

Pastor Doug: That’s it. Okay that is the closest thing I could find in Matthew 18:16, “In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.”

Deborah: Umm-hmm. So does that bring you… a person closer to believing in Jesus Christ as God? If that happens to them because this is what happens to me a lot. Or does it bring about witchcraft?

Pastor Doug: Well that is a principle for confirming truth. For instance, in our Government System nobody can be condemned for murder on the testimony of one witness. That is why you need two or three witnesses. And when you are establishing principals’ truth one scripture is not good to build a doctrine on. Two or three Scriptures start to give you a foundation. I heard someone illustrate; you take a 2x4 and nail it to the wall and you can spin it around with one nail, but that second nail keeps it from moving. And so in the same way it is through the multiple counsel and testimony that we arrive at truth.

Deborah: And what part of the Bible is that in again?

Pastor Doug: This is Matthew 18:16

Deborah: Okay thanks a lot.

Pastor Doug: Alright. God bless you.

Pastor Dick: Thank you for the call Deborah. We want to talk next to Emily in New York who is also listening on WMCA welcome Emily.

Emily: Hello.

Pastor Dick: Hello and your question?

Emily: Yes, I have a question and it is regarding Jesus in Matthew 12 where He says about the issue of family and in verse 48 it says; He replied to him, who is My mother and who are My brothers? To His disciples He said, here are My mother and My brothers for whoever does the will of My Father in heaven are My brother and sister and mother? When He says that; what is He saying about His family? Is He in some sort rejecting His family due to the fact that he is saying that My family is he who believes in My Father? And My family doesn’t go through our blood or--

Pastor Doug: No I don’t believe Jesus disowned His family in preference for a spiritual family. I think what Jesus is saying here is that the priority of what really makes us family; is not the genetic or the physical or the heritage, it is the spiritual genetics. The spiritual relationship and Christ did not disown his mother or His brothers by that statement. He was saying that those who hear and do the will of God those are My mother, My sister, My brother. Fortunately, His mother was one of those people and His brothers… the book of Jude was written by one of Jesus’ brothers and so He wasn’t disowning His family; He was just saying that the spiritual relationship is more important for the Christian than the physical or the filial relationship. Okay?

Emily: Because I run a lot of people who say that is confusion. They totally misunderstand it other than the way you explain it. You know where I am guessing He was looking at His mother at the time He was saying that.

Pastor Doug: Well actually He wasn’t looking at His mother. Messengers came to Jesus and said Your mom and Your brothers are outside in the crowd and they want to talk to You and Jesus… everyone heard the messenger give this message to Jesus and Jesus said would you like to be part of My family and this is His inference. Whoever does the will of My Father is My family. And so He didn’t disown His parents. He instead was inviting the crowd to be part of His family. Do you see what I am saying?

Emily: Yes, I do.

Pastor Doug: Yeah read it there in its’ context and I don’t know that His mother was even standing next to Him when He said that. She was outside this mob and wanted to talk to Him and they couldn’t get to Him. And a messenger came and said Your mother and brother are standing without and they desire to see Thee. And He said who is My mother and My brethren, but they that do the will of God? And you know we are adopted into the family and one more verse you might look up Emily is look up 1 John 3:1 and it says, “Behold what manner of love that the Father has bestowed on us that we should be called the sons of God.” We are the adopted into God’s family. Right Pastor Dick?

Pastor Dick: That is right. Amen.

Pastor Doug: Hope that helps Emily. Thanks for the call Emily.

Pastor Dick: Thank you for the call Emily. To San Francisco, California to Dimetar who is our first time caller on the internet. Welcome Dimetar.

Dimetar: Yes, thank you for accepting my call. I just wanted to ask you about that peace agreement between Israel and Palestinian on 30th of April this year I think. What is your opinion—is that confirmation of the covenant that is specified in Daniel? And then is that confirmation that it is going to be starting the beginning of the tribulation period?

Pastor Doug: Well I personally do not believe that, because this very fragile peace agreement is one of many over the last forty years. It has been how long since the formation of Israel?

Pastor Dick: Since 1947.

Pastor Doug: Yeah because… and it has not held up because look at what just happened in the headlines last week. We have a book that you might enjoy and actually it is a Study Guide that deals with the covenant and the tribulation and Daniel Chapter 9. This is what you are talking about right?

Dimetar: Yes. Yes. Daniel and Revelation is most of the--

Pastor Doug: Revelation 13 and Daniel Chapter 9.

Dimetar: Um-hmm.

Pastor Doug: Can I make a suggestion Dimetar?

Dimetar: Sure.

Pastor Doug: Can you get on the internet?

Dimetar: Yes.

Pastor Doug: You should go to the internet and sign up for our advance Bible study series it is all free. And it takes you through a series of lessons… you are going to know what is happening in the news when you go through that series. It will be very interesting for you.

Dimetar: Yes. Can I ask just one other question?

Pastor Doug: A short one.

Dimetar: Is that covenant going to be signed by the anti-Christ itself?

Pastor Doug: No this is a common misunderstanding. You are talking about where it says in Daniel 9 he will confirm the covenant with many for one week?

Dimetar: Yes.

Pastor Doug: A lot of people misunderstand that verse. Let me give you something to think about. Where in the Bible does it say that the devil made a covenant with anybody? Is there any evidence of the devil or the anti-Christ making a covenant?

Dimetar: No.

Pastor Doug: No. Is there a place in the Bible where God makes and confirms a covenant with His people?

Dimetar: Yes, Moses.

Pastor Doug: Many you’re right; many, many covenants. If you will notice, He says that in the midst of the week He will cause the sacrifice to cease. Listening friends, we are in Daniel Chapter 9:25 through the end of the Chapter. In the midst of the week Jesus preached 3½ years in person. Then He preached 3½ years through the apostles until Stephen was stoned, and then the disciples were scattered everywhere. Jesus preached to the Jews, just the Jews for 3½ years. He said I am not sent to the lost sheep of the house… I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then when He sent out the disciples He said begin preaching in Jerusalem and in Judea and they started in with the Jews. And 3½ years later Stephen is when stoned. In the midst of that last 7 years Christ caused the sacrifice to cease. What happened in the Temple when Jesus died on the cross?

Dimetar: Umm.

Pastor Doug: Wasn’t the veil ripped?

Dimetar: Yes.

Pastor Doug: Do you know that ultimately the temple was destroyed and the Jews do not sacrifice lambs anymore? That is all because of Christ.

Dimetar: Yes.

Pastor Doug: So people have misapplied that verse there and take a look at that advance study set that you have online and it’s all free and I think it will really help. Okay?

Dimetar: Alright thank you so much.

Pastor Doug: Alright God bless.

Pastor Dick: Thank you for the call Dimetar. Let’s go to Edison, New Jersey to speak with Michael, who is a first time caller, on WMCA; Michael welcome and your question please.

Michael: Hi. Yes, my question concerns an unmarried couple. Is there such a thing Biblically of making love as people say or is it just fornication and not fornication black and white as in 1st Corinthians?

Pastor Doug: Well let’s wind the tape back to the beginning.

Michael: Okay.

Pastor Doug: Part of the purpose for the act of intimacy in marriage is that a man and a woman can recreate in their own image. God said He made man in His image and then He gave man and woman the ability to procreate in their own image. It is through a corporate act of love they procreate. For people to take advantage of this blessing that God has for procreation which is in the realm of marriage and sex; just for the pleasure aspect of it with no commitment is I think an abuse of the gift. So what I am saying with all of that convoluted vocabulary is that sex outside of marriage is wrong Biblically. Any sex outside of marriage, is like chewing gum, you might stimulate your taste buds, but you are not going to swallow anything nutritious. Do you know what I am saying? It is like without the commitment it is just like trying to take advantage of the pleasures of the experience, but it was designed to procreate I mean… think about everything that’s involved in sex… in marriage it is meant to be an expression of love, but to rob or to participate in that is forbidden; without the commitment. Go ahead I am sorry.

Michael: So can two unmarried people make love or is that a misnomer.

Pastor Doug: That is a misnomer. What they are doing is they are making lust. They are satisfying their personal gratifications. Love is not made through intimacy as much as Hollywood wants to make sex seem like it’s an expression of love it is really an expression of passion and love is expressed a lot of better ways than sex.

Michael: Umm-hmm

Pastor Doug: Okay don’t fall for that and as you get older in marriage you’ll find these couples whose relationship endures… and they will say I love this person more now than I have ever loved them. And they are getting a little past the physical aspect of it and so it is a big misconception or false advertising of Hollywood that sex is the ultimate expression of love. I don’t believe that. It is one of the expressions. Okay?

Michael: Okay.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Michael.

Pastor Doug: People do too much before marriage and not enough after and that is why there is so much counseling going on.

Pastor Dick: To Walla Walla, Washington, Jesse is listening on WKGS. Welcome Jesse.

Jesse: Hi. My question is about the Scripture found in Revelation 6:9 it says “And he opened the 5th seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them who were slain for the word of God. For the testimony which they held and they cried with a loud voice saying how long on Lord Holy and true does thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?” And eleven says that white robes were given unto every one of them. If you jump down to Rev 6:14 it says, speaking of the souls under the altar, “These are they that came out of great tribulation and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb...

Pastor Doug: Wait, you just jumped, what verse did you jump to?

Jesse: It goes right down to 14 from 11, and it’s speaking about the souls under the altar...

Pastor Doug: You’re talking about Revelation 6:14?

Jesse: Revelation 6:9

Pastor Doug: Yeah, I read that, and then you said something about 6:14

Jesse: Well in 14 it speaks about them, it says, “Those are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white…

Pastor Doug: I’m not reading… let’s try that one more time. Revelation 6:14, “The heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their place. I’m not reading what you’re reading, double check your verse, double check your chapter.

Jesse: Okay give me a minute. The question was if they are there before the throne of grace and washed their robes and made them white then they have been resurrected.

Pastor Doug: Yeah well first of all let me back up and try and be helpful because we are running out of time here. The souls that are under the altar; don’t take that verse too literally. Part of the reason I say that is, it’s using the same language as you find in Genesis, when God says that the blood of your brother Abel cries to me from the ground. These souls, first of all let us hope that there is nobody in heaven who is mourning and…

Jesse: I am sorry it is Chapter 7:14.

Pastor Doug: Okay that is what I wondered. There is no one in heaven that is moaning under an altar that is saved. I mean who would want that as a reward? This is an illustration of those that have died for their faith, just as their blood is calling out for justice the same way Abel’s blood symbolically call out for justice.

Jesse: So they have been given white robes they have been resurrected. Because it says they’re before the throne of God because they have washed their robes in 7:14, I’m sorry. And which is before the last trumpet which is confusing because it says still, but it is after the Lord takes Abraham and Isaac, and Jacob..

Pastor Doug: Well I have an answer to this… it will be easier for me to recommend something. I will give you a free book, does that sound fair? It is a book I have written on the 144,000 because in Chapter 14 it is spending a lot of time identifying the 144,000; right?

Jesse: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: This book is called “Who are the 144,000; Who Will Sing the Song” and if you call the resource number and ask for that book. I want you to read that Jesse because I’m going to run out of time to study these 2 chapters, because Revelation is a big question.

Jesse; Well the question I was asking is this is before the last trumpet and things like that before they were resurrected and the people that came out of the great tribulation and we are not in the great tribulation yet.

Pastor Doug: Yeah I… no not yet. But, no it is coming. Please read… well there have been three tribulations and let me answer this part very quickly. In Matthew 24 when Jesus talks about the tribulation; first there’s the tribulation the Jews went through before the destruction of Jerusalem, then there is this tribulation of the Dark Ages where the woman flees into the wilderness. That is the great persecution of the church during the Dark Ages when it was illegal. Then you have got the great tribulation just before the second coming and that is the seven last plagues.

Jesse: Was there a tribulation for the apostles and the first martyrs of three hundred years that were martyred that first time?

Pastor Doug: Yeah when you read under the church of Smyrna it says you will go through tribulation 10 days. That was ten years of great tribulation that the early church went through during the Emperor Diocletian and they were killed by the millions in persecution. So we are running out of time here. Ask for the book on the 144,000 then read it and I want to know what you think. Call me back.

Jesse: Okay. Thank you.

Pastor Doug: Thank you.

Pastor Dick: Call the resource number Jesse 1-800-835-6747.

Pastor Doug: You know one other thing if Jesses is still listening we have that book called “Anything but Secret,” that talks about through the tribulation and there is a whole passage in there; half the book deals with the tribulation and I think he would really get a lot out of that.

Pastor Dick: We’ll send you both of them Jesse.

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