By the Death of One

By the Death of One

Date: 01/06/2019 
A new year is another start, another chance, another chapter... won't you begin it by opening your Bible with us ? Pastor Ross searches the Scriptures in this episode of Bible Answers Live to find what the Bible teaches about the evidence of the Holy Spirit in our lives, and what neglecting our connection to Jesus will mean for our salvation. Tune in and spend time in the Word. As the new year begins, open your Bible and join us in study and prayer !
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Pastor Ross: Hello, friends. How about an amazing fact, one stormy night in 1910, a group of traveling musicians arrived at the city of Riga on the Baltic Sea to fulfill a concert engagement. The weather was so bad, however, that the conductor of the orchestra tried to persuade the manager of the hall to cancel the concert. He felt sure that no one would venture out on such a rainy night. The manager refused to cancel, but he did agree that if no one turned up the orchestra could leave early in order to catch the night boat bound for Helsinki in Finland.

When the musicians arrived at the concert hall, they found only one person sitting in the audience, a stout old man who smiled at everyone. Because of this old man, the musicians were forced to play the entire concert, and they were unable to leave early to catch the boat. After the concert was over, the old man continued sitting in his seat. Thinking that he was asleep, an usher nudged his shoulder.

Only then was discovered that the old man was dead. The musicians had played the entire concert for a dead man, but ironically, in doing this, that actually saved their own lives, for the boat that they would have taken to Finland sank that very night with a complete loss of life. The death of one man saved the lives of many. Did you know friends that the Bible teaches this same principle. Stay tuned for more as Amazing Facts brings you this edition of Bible Answers Live.

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Pastor Ross: Hello friends welcome to Bible Answers Live. Pastor Doug is out of town this evening but this is a live international interactive Bible study and we welcome your Bible questions. If you're joining us on Facebook, we'd also like to welcome our friends not only here in the US, but also around the world. If you have a Bible related question, here's the number to call. The number is 800-463-7297. I'll repeat that number it's 800-463-7297. Call in and you can then put your Bible question on the air and together we'll search the Scriptures to find answers.

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I opened the program this evening by sharing an amazing story that occurred back in 1910 of a group of traveling musicians who were actually wanting to catch a boat that would actually save them time to the next destination but ended up having to do an entire concert for one man and it turned out that that old man before the end of the concert actually passed away. Nevertheless, by them playing the concert, they ended up saving their own lives because the boat that they would have taken, sank.

Well, we find an interesting principle in the Bible, both in the Old Testament and also very clearly presented in the new, and that is, "By the death of one man, many lives are saved." Of course, that one man that we're talking about is none other than Jesus Christ. Probably the most famous verse in the Bible is John 3:16. This verse brings to light this wonderful truth. It says, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." We also find the Apostle Paul in Romans 5:8 saying something very similar, "But God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

There it is. A glorious truth found in the Bible, that Jesus died for us that His death takes the place of our death He bore our sins, died paying the penalty for our transgressions and by faith in Him we obtained forgiveness, cleansing, and hope of eternal life. Now, friends, you might be wondering how you can truly experience that wonderful gift of salvation that comes through the death of Jesus. We have a book that we'd like to make available to anyone who is listening.

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If you have a Bible question we have just a few lines that are still open it's good time to pick up your phone and give us a call the number again is 800-463-7297, 800-463-7297. We're going to go to our first call of this evening we have Andrew listening in Chattanooga, Tennessee, Andrew, welcome to Bible Answers Live.

Andrew: Hello, Pastor Ross and thank you for taking my call.

Pastor Ross: You're welcome.

Andrew: My question is it starts off with a little bit of me and what's going on with me right now is I was raised on nondenominational my entire life. I was always with the understanding that I should follow the Bible and the commandments. My parents always told me to work hard and to enjoy and find pleasure in everything that I do. If I wash dishes, if I'm helping somebody else cleaning their house, if I'm helping somebody move. Any job that I've ever taken, I've always tried to find pleasure in it to the point where somebody might say that I'm a workaholic. I don't find that work for me is-- it's not a sacrifice, I enjoy doing it.

About two years ago, somebody directed me to the Prophecy Code. I started watching it I learned about Sabbath truth. I learned about the fourth commandment, which I thought I had been keeping my entire life but it turned out to be that I hadn't. I'll tell you what, for the past two years, I've tried to keep the fourth commandment, but my least favorite day of the week is Friday. The moment I wake up on Friday, I realize that there's only so many hours left towards the Sabbath. I'm very frustrated, very upset about the start of the Sabbath, simply because I like working and I don't find work to be a sacrifice. I enjoy the type of work that I do.

Pastor Ross: Your question then is how do you keep the Sabbath when you really want to work?

Andrew: Yes. Exactly.

Pastor Ross: The Sabbath commandment that you find, of course, it's the fourth commandment in the 10 commandment says, "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy." Six days, you're to labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. In it, you should not do any work. Then it goes on to talk about those who are under your roof or those in your sphere of influence. Now, when the Bible says you ought to do any work on the Sabbath, it doesn't mean you sit at home and do absolutely nothing.

You don't want to be lazy on the Sabbath, but what the Bible means is you lay aside your secular labor. The work you do for an occupation or a paycheck, the work that you typically would do, maybe even when you're home and you relaxing and you want to do some work around the yard or the garden, all those type of things. Those are the type of work activities that you want to lay aside. That doesn't mean you don't do anything on the Sabbath. Rather, it means that you dedicate those hours for worshiping God, fellowshiping with like minded believers. It is also a day when you can do the works of good as a blessing to others. In other words, there is nothing wrong.

Matter of fact, it's encouraged on, for example, a Sabbath afternoon to go visit someone maybe there's someone in a nursing home that you can visit with and pray with and encourage it's a good day to visit the sick. It's a good day to be involved in sharing your faith or join a small group Bible study. The Sabbath is not a day of inactivity, rather it is to be a day of activity but activity that focused upon serving God. and worshiping Him. We lay aside our own interests, our own labors and focus upon those particular areas that will be a blessing to God and others.

Andrew: Okay.

Pastor Ross: Does that help Andrew?

Andrew: A little bit. Yes, it does. I'm trying to figure it out and--

Pastor Ross: I know what you're saying. I don't like just sitting at home doing nothing myself but the Sabbath is the busiest day of my week. There's a lot happening on Sabbath. That's the day that I'm of course worshiping in the morning and then I like to visit with people in the afternoon. It's a great day for ministry where I set aside my own interests and focus on blessing others and ministering to them.

Try that I think you'll find it a blessing. We do have a study guide dealing with the Sabbath, you might have seen it for those who might be new to the Sabbath. It's a study guide called The Last Day in History. This is a wonderful truth that many Christians are discovering, and we'll be happy to send anyone the study guide called A Last Day in History, the number to call is 800-463-7297. Thanks for your call.

Our next caller that they have is calling from-- It looks like Toronto, Canada and he's Thomas that's calling us. Thomas.

Thomas: Yes. Good evening, how you doing? Thanks for taking my call.

Pastor Ross: You're welcome. Yes, and your question this evening?

Thomas: I'm just wondering if this is a teaching within Christianity that I've heard, but I've never heard it. I grew up as a mainstream Christian, but this is the idea. The significance of the number eight. For example, Noah in the New Testament is called the eight person, right? There was eight people in the ark. David was the eighth son of Jesse. Abraham covenant had eight component to it. He had three animals had to be cut in half and two birds. There was eight flames in the temple that had to be lit continually.

What I'm guessing is that there's a-- I've never heard this before, but someone shared this with me that when you take Jesus's name in the New Testament written in Greek and you add up those Greek letters because they have a numerical value, it comes to 888. I'm just wondering on the significance of Jesus being 888 and all these other parallels of the eighth day like circumcision and the sacrificial animals are only acceptable on the eighth day.

Pastor Ross: Sure. Well, in the Bible numbers are significant, especially when you get to prophetic books, for example, Daniel and Revelation and even some of the minor Prophets, numbers do have significance. Just to run through the key numbers. I think you're aware that the number one in the Bible represents unity of purpose. The number two is often associated with the Word of God, sometimes referred to as the law and the prophets. The number three is often associated with the Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The number four is a number that's often associated with the world or the earth. You got the four points of the compass, north, south, east, and west. Number four is often associated with the world.

Then number five is typically connected with doctrine or teaching and the reason for that is the first five books of Moses referred to as the law. There were five books and that was called doctrinal teaching. It was foundational to the Jew and also to the Christians understanding of God's will. Then number six, often associated with man. It's man's number, he was created on the sixth day of the week.

The number seven is significant because that's God's number, represents perfection or completion. The number eight in the Bible is interesting. It's often associated with a remnant being delivered and you gave some examples of that. Noah and his family, eight were delivered from the flood. It's interesting, the parallel you did with the name of Jesus in the original Greek, that's not something that I've actually researched and looked up but eight is often associated with a remnant bringing true deliverance or salvation. You could probably see some examples of that.

Not a whole lot of significance to number nine in the Bible, but 10 is very significant. That, of course, represents the 10 commandments. The number 11, not a whole lot of significance, but 12 represents God's people. The 12 tribes of the Old Testament. 12 apostles of the new. Then the next big number that's significant is the number 40, which represents the time of trial or testing. It rained for 40 days and 40 nights. Children of Israel in the wilderness for 40 years. Christ fasted for 40 days in the wilderness. When you look at all of the significance of those numbers, yes, eight is part of that cluster of numbers that is significant, in that it often has to do with a remnant being delivered or called out or saved.

Thomas: Can I ask, just like something else to ask, could be comparison?

Pastor Ross: Yes, sure.

Thomas: What I can understand is also not only because God created everything, so he gave us the Bible, but he also spoke creation to being, right? Like you said about 12 sons, 12 apostles, there's also 12 months. There was also two stacks of six loaves of shewbread in the temple, right?

Pastor Ross: Yes.

Thomas: Creation has this 12 hours of daylight, 12 hours of night, 12 months of the year, and this is what they pointed out to me. The two numbers that God gave, if people then knew about Jesus being 888, and the number 666, which like you said is a number of sin, the man of unrighteousness, or sin, which is the fall of men, but in the periodic table, you have both those numbers, and I'll tell you why. Oxygen is number eight on the periodic table, and it has eight electrons, eight protons and eight neutrons. Carbon is number six on the periodic table, and it has six electrons, six protons, six neutrons, and carbon is the same as dust.

Pastor Ross: Right, it's a element of life. Well, that's a great thought and probably there's a lot more than one could study with those numbers. It's probably exhaustless if you look at these different numbers and look at some of the parallels that you have in the Bible. Very interesting, it's a great study. For those who are listening who might not be familiar with the numbers in the Bible, if you go to the amazing facts website, and you type in there Bible numbers, we have a resource there that will quickly go through the numbers with their meaning as well as their biblical reference. I think Thomas, you'll enjoy it as well, sounds like you've done quite a bit of studying with numbers. Thanks for your call. We appreciate it. Next caller that we have is Don and he's listening from Brandon, Florida. Don, welcome to the program.

Don: Hello. My question is in John, chapter 20:17. Mary encounters the risen Jesus and guess she goes to grab hold of him and Jesus tells her, "Do not cling to me for I have not ascended to my Father in heaven." Now when Jesus at that time ascends to his father, is that the exact time in Revelations five that he receives the scroll?

Pastor Ross: Okay, good question. As a matter of fact, I was just actually teaching on that this past weekend. Just for those who might be not familiar with the passage that you're referring to, you're talking about an experience that occurred after the resurrection of Jesus where Mary was at-- This is not Mary, the mother of Jesus, this is Mary Magdalene. She was at the tomb. It was empty because Christ had risen from the dead. There was some other disciples that had been there. They had seen the empty tomb, and they had gone back to Jerusalem to tell the other disciples about it, but Mary lingered there at the tomb.

She thought it was the gardener that she met, and she had been weeping. She said, "If you can tell me where they've moved his body, please let me know." Then Jesus revealed himself and just said her name, Mary. Then she actually realizes this is the risen Christ, she fell at his feet and clung to Him. Jesus said, "Do not cling to me," or do not detain me would be another word that you could use. "I've not yet ascended to my father in heaven."

It appears that Jesus then after that encounter with Mary ascended to his father in heaven, and receive from the Father the assurance that his sacrifice was sufficient, that indeed, the atoning sacrifice was enough to provide forgiveness and cleansing and salvation for those who believe in Him. Later that same day, Jesus appears to the disciples in the upper room, and He's on and off with them for about the next 40 days. Then it seems that the end of that time period is the official ascension of Jesus where He speaks to His disciples.

He says, "I will come back again." He has this final commission to the disciples. Then He ascends to heaven. Shortly after that, the Holy Spirit comes upon the disciples. What we find described in Revelation chapter five, I think would relate more to his official ascending up to heaven when he begins his work as our high priest in heaven ministering on behalf of God's people.

The reason I say that is because in Revelation five, you'll notice that Jesus takes a scroll out of the Father's hand that is sealed with seven seals and He begins to open up those seals and different events begin to occur throughout the Christian history. A number of scholars feel that Revelation chapter five would be the official beginning of Christ as a high priest in heaven.

Don: Okay, that makes sense, because when he ascended to heaven first time after Mary encountered him, then he wouldn't have the time to start his work yet.

Pastor Ross: Correct.

Don: It was after the 40 days, and then he ascended and then he started his work as the high priests, which meant opening up the scroll.

Pastor Ross: Correct. Opening up the seals, and the scroll and of course, the scroll ends up being the Lamb's book of life. Then you have the rest of revelation playing out, so a number of scholars see a parallel with Christ officially beginning his high priestly ministry in Revelation 5.

Don: Thank you so much clears it up for me I appreciate it.

Pastor Ross: Thank you for your question. Good question. Next caller that we have is Frank and he's listening in Alabama. Frank, welcome to the program.

Frank: Hi, yes. Is it possible to be guilty of committing adultery just by having too much companionship with someone, even if there is no sexual involvement whatsoever?

Pastor Ross: The Bible says that the marriage relationship is more than just physical intimacy. It's also emotional intimacy. That's why Jesus said if you look at a woman and lust after you're guilty of committing adultery in your heart. I think any married person needs to be careful with how much time they spend with someone other than their spouse of the opposite sex. There is a principle of life that often the company of one that you enjoy being with, multiplied by the amount of times spent with that person will naturally lead to some kind of emotional connection.

I think as Christians we need to be-- particularly the Bible tells us to avoid the appearance of evil. Even if there might not be any physical contact, that is inappropriate if our affections are placed upon another other than our spouse. Especially romantic affections. That is something that the Bible warns us to be aware of, and stay away from.

Frank: What you're saying would it actually bear the title of committing adultery in God's eyes? I realized, a little bit of friendly talk with someone's not going to be in that category? But it's the possibility, if you just take too much time away from your spouse or something like that, just for companionship with someone else that could fall in that category?

Pastor Ross: Well, it could. I think if it attracts your heart and your feelings and your attention? Yes, I think we need to be careful. The marriage covenant is sacred needs to be number one in our life, our affections need to be first and foremost to our spouse. If somebody is wondering, maybe I'm spending just a little too much time with my secretary, or maybe I'm traveling with somebody at work, or a friend or someone I've known for many years. One of the things one could do is ask their spouse and say. I want to make sure that you're not feeling uncomfortable. What do you advise? Usually, the spouse will be honest and say, you're probably spending too much time with him or her. So I think we need to respect our spouse and their wishes as well.

Frank: That is an excellent idea, considering that it's hard to define the exact borderline. I really appreciate your input on that.

Pastor Ross: All right. Well, thank you for your call Frank. We appreciate that. Our next caller that we have is Gustavo listening from New York, Gustavo, welcome to the program.

Gustavo: How you doing pastor?

Pastor Ross: Doing well. And your question this evening?

Gustavo: My question is, I'm in the military. I just wanted to know, is it wrong to be in the military, even if they require you to work on the Sabbath during a deployment?

Pastor Ross: That is a very important and good question. Are there faithful Christians serving the military? Yes. Have they been faithful Sabbath-keepers, that have served in the military? Yes. All the way back from World War II. A very famous Sabbath keeper was Desmond Doss who served in the military as a medic. He refused to carry a gun. He didn't want to take life, but he felt that it was very appropriate for him to try and heal and help those who were injured. He was a very famous medic in World War Two.

However, having said that, to be a Sabbath keeper in the military does often result in a trying of your faith. It is difficult, and there are many experiences where people have had their faith challenged and even faced opposition because those that they are working with or working for don't understand their commitment. Now, fortunately, in the United States, there are exceptions that are made for those who want to keep the seventh-day Sabbath. It's something that one needs to be upfront with. You need to communicate with your supervisors in some emergency situations.

If you're working, especially in the medical arena there are people who have to be taken care of on the Sabbath, like a doctor or a nurse that is appropriate as well. One thing I would add, though, is if we're going to ask for privileges on the Sabbath to worship. We need to be consistent in that. The problem is if there is a soldier who doesn't keep the Sabbath, and then wants to keep the Sabbath, and then he doesn't keep the Sabbath, and he wants to keep the Sabbath, there's a lack of consistency, and that causes additional hardship and trials in the military. So being faithful with your conviction is very important. right from the very beginning.

Gustavo: All right. Okay. Thank you, pastor. I think you've answered my question.

Pastor Ross: All right. Thank you for your call. Next caller that we have is Billy listening from North Carolina. Billy, welcome to the program.

Billy: Thank you, sir. My question is. Is the return of tithe on Social Security earnings? It's my understanding the social security, withholding taxes is withheld from your paycheck and then put into the Social Security fund. Your employer also matches that amount and it is put into the fund. Now, when you retire and you start receiving benefits you should pay the tithe on your contributions, but do you pay tithe on the employer's contribution that's put into the fund for you?

Radio Pastor: Well, the principle that you find in the Bible is we pay a tithe on our increase. So whether that's an increase that we earn or whether that's an increase that is given to us by our employer, it's still an increase. Specifically, on social security, some folks will pay their tithe on their gross that they receive every month before the deductions are taken out for retirement and social security and some of these things. They pay on the gross amount, the big amount, and then they've already paid their tithe for those deductions. When they do retire, they receive their social security, often they will pay an offering but they wouldn't necessarily pay the tithe because they've already paid on the tithe.

Although, I do know folks who have paid on the gross of their salary. Then after they retire, they still continue to pay a tithe even on their social security, because they believe that you can't out bless God. We know of many experiences where God has blessed people who have been generous in their giving to the cause of God not only with their tithes but also with the offering. That's the principle that we have in the Bible. I'm thinking individually one needs to pray and say, "Lord, how do you want me to respond and deal with the issue of tithing and offering and giving?

Billy, I want to thank you for your call. You can hear me coming up on a break and friends. We're not done. We're just taking a short break and we'll be back with more Bible questions.

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Pastor Ross: Hello, friends and welcome back to Bible Answers Live. If you're just joining us this is live international interactive Bible study. Pastor Doug Batchelor is out of town today but our phone lines are open. If you have a Bible-related question, I'd love to hear from you this evening. As mentioned just a little while ago, our phone line here to the studio is 800-463-7297. We have a number of callers waiting. We're going to go to our next caller. We have Lola listening from North Carolina. Lola, welcome to the program.

Lola: Good evening pastor. My question, what are we supposed to do with the leftover emblems for the communion service? Some say they need to be buried or burned. Some say you can simply throw them away, what do we do with them?

Pastor Ross: Well, first of all, I wouldn't throw them away, I wouldn't just dump them in the garbage. It doesn't seem the appropriate way to get rid of the leftover communion bread. It does represent something. It's a symbol of the body of Christ and the grape juice, the atoning blood of Christ, and we want to recognize, just like you wouldn't want to treat the Bible as any common book. You wouldn't want to treat the grape juice and the communion bread that's been blessed just like any type of bread, or juice. Typically, most churches the appropriate way to deal with that is to bury the leftovers or in some cases, place it in if it's wintertime and they have a fire going or something like that it's appropriate to put it there as well. Most times in our situation, we will have somebody bury the bread and the grape juice at home.

Lola: Thank you.

Pastor Ross: You're welcome. Thank you for your call. Next caller that we have is David listening in Michigan. David, welcome to the program.

David: Hello.

Pastor Ross: Yes. Hi, David. you're on the air.

David: Hi, Pastor Ross. It's a privilege to be speaking with you.

Pastor Ross: Well, thanks for your call and your question this evening.

David: My question is, I was reading in John's Gospel chapter one today again, and John, the baptist replied to some messengers who were sent from Jerusalem, asking who are you? He denied three times. He said I'm not Elijah. He said, I'm not the Christ and I'm not the Prophet. My question is, why did John, the baptist, deny that he was Elijah when, in Matthew chapter 11, after John the Baptist who was imprisoned at that time had sent some of his disciples to Jesus to ask him the question, "Are you the Christ, or are we to look for someone else?" At that time Jesus had revealed and said, if you will receive it, John the baptist actually was Elijah. Why would john the baptist not know and deny that he was Elijah?

Pastor Ross: Good question. Well, first of all, John the baptist wasn't Elijah, the Elijah that ascended up to heaven. The Elijah that sent it to heaven, of course, is a great prophet of the Old Testament. He becomes a symbol of a special prophetic blessing that would be given prior to the coming of Jesus, the First Coming but also a special outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and prophetic gift given before the Second Coming of Jesus. When the religious leaders asked john are you Elijah, they weren't thinking about the spiritual power, rather they were looking for something that they could use against him, something to hinder his work and his ministry. The religious leaders believed that the literal Elijah would come down from heaven.

John the baptist saying, "No, I'm not the literal Elijah that ascended up to heaven, but I'm the one preparing the way for the coming of Christ." That's why when Jesus spoke of this, these disciples said, if you can receive this, he is or this prophecy is referencing to Elijah, meaning John the baptist came in the spirit and the power of Elijah. Now, the reason the religious leaders thought that Elijah would come down is because of the prophecy in Malachi chapter four, verse five, it says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord." Now, the religious leaders looked at that and they were interpreting that prophecy in their day, meaning that when the Messiah would come, he would establish an earthly kingdom, because they refer to the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

In order for them to be set straight in their understanding of Christ mission as well as John the baptist, John said, No, I'm not that Elijah. I'm not the one that you think I am. Jesus said he came in the spirit and power of Elijah, he was that Elijah. According to Malachi 4:5, there will be a special outpouring of the Holy Spirit again, and the prophetic is revised before the great and dreadful day of the Lord, that will be the second coming and judgment. Does that help a little bit, David?

David: That helps a little bit. You're saying that there is yet to be another appearance of the spirit power of Elijah or that's happening now.

Pastor Ross: You know what, I think it's going to grow all the way through to the end. We know that before Jesus comes there is another special outpouring of the Holy Spirit as it was at Pentecost. They will be miracles roar, the gospel is going to be preached around the world. The prophecy Malachi says before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord, we know that's not referring to the first coming of Christ, although it had a partial application. It really does refer to the second coming of Christ.

David: That helps a little bit. I just thought it was strange that Jesus said he had come in the spirit and power of Elijah, but yet John the baptist still didn't acknowledge that in any wise to those leaders who came to him.

Pastor Ross: I think and as I said earlier, probably because John knew that they would trying to use whatever John would say against him to try him on these words, so he answered wisely.

David: That's it.

Pastor Ross: Well, thank you, David. Good question.

David: Thank you for the help.

Pastor Ross: Next caller that we have is Roger listening in Colorado. Roger, welcome to Bible Answers Live.

Roger: Thank you, Pastor Ross. I've got an interesting question. I've heard this a few other times, and I can't quite find it in the Bible, or what it refers to. There was somebody that said there were five lambs, do you know what they might be talking about? Somebody said this was heard in a seminar by Pastor Doug.

Pastor Ross: The question is there were five lambs, as in the animal?

Roger: Lambs, L-A-M-B. What would the five lambs be representing?

Pastor Ross: Well, if you look in the book of Revelation, how many times the word lamb appears it's more than five. The first reference that we have the word lamb in Revelation, there's actually a lot of I'm just looking at it here in my computer. The first reference is revelation five, six, and it goes all the way through, you have multiple references all the way to Revelation 22:3 where you have the word lamb used. Each of the times the word lamb is used, it's a reference to Jesus, Jesus is described as the lamb. Of course, the reason he's described as the lamb is because the lamb was an animal useful sacrifice in the Old Testament.

It was a sacrifice for sin. Jesus is the Lamb of God, John the Baptist said when Jesus was baptized, he takes away the sins of the world. In Revelation, it's emphasizing the fact that Jesus is the Savior. He's the lamb, he died in order to forgive.

Roger: Thank you that helped me quite a bit. I understand also, the lamb was the first thing actually killed on the face of the earth with Adam and Eve if I'm not mistaken.

Pastor Ross: Well The Bible says that after Adam and Eve sinned, of course, they made for themselves fig leaf coverings, and that was not sufficient, so God provided them tunics of skin, meaning that an animal was sacrificed in order for them to have that. It could very well have been a lamb that was sacrificed. Lambs were used throughout the Old Testament for sacrifice along with others, but lambs were also used.

Roger: Thank you very much. You answered a lot of questions for me.

Pastor Ross: Well, thank you for you.

Roger: Thank you, Pastor Ross.

Pastor Ross: Thank you for your call. Roger. We appreciate it.

Roger: Thank you. Bye-bye.

Pastor Ross: Bye-bye. We've got Nancy who is listening from Ohio. Nancy, welcome to the program.

Nancy: Thank you, Pastor. I'm so glad I got to be on the show. I was hoping I wouldn't be cut off. I've always been raised as a Christian at once you receive salvation once you take Christ as your Savior, the gift of salvation is permanent, it's eternal, you can't lose it. I heard a sermon just recently tonight, where a minister was saying that Christian can fall from grace and be removed from the book of life and lose their salvation. It really shook me up. The scripture he was talking about, where Christians can fall from grace, I always interpreted that as someone who became a Christian, and then they actually turn their back on the faith, they turn there back on Christianity, they walk away from the faith, that to me was falling from grace. He made it sound, even if you mess up, you sin, you whatever you call for grace, you're going to lose your salvation. I just wanted to get your interpretation on that.

Pastor Ross: Yes, absolutely. When a person comes to God, and they confess their sins, and they surrender their life to Jesus, there is no doubt according to the Bible, that we are forgiven of our sins and The Holy Spirit then begins to work in our hearts and lives and we're saved. We receive Jesus, our personal Savior, but after we receive Him as our Savior, we need to maintain a faith relationship with Jesus. It's not good enough just to call yourself a Christian and yet be disconnected from Christ.

Jesus says, "Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord. Did we not prophesy in your name and cast our devils and do all kinds of miracles?'" Then Jesus will say, "I never knew you depart from me." He worked as a miniquity. Just having a name saying, "I'm a Christian," but not having a living faith connection with Jesus is not going to save anyone. That doesn't mean that if we're a Christian, we love the Lord but we are tempted and we make a mistake and we fall and we are convicted of that sin, it doesn't mean the minute we sin, we're lost. Rather it means when that conviction comes, we need to turn to the Lord and say, "Lord, please forgive me. Please give me the grace and the strength to resist and overcome."

That staying in a saving relationship with Jesus, but if we neglect that relationship, if we turn away from Christ, if we don't communicate with him through prayer, if we don't spend time in his word, our hearts begin to grow cold. They begin to grow hard and we lose that faith connection with Christ to the point where we have no interest in spiritual things, we're not interested in what Jesus wants to do for us and we have a spirit of rebellion. That's what the Bible warns us about. It's sometimes we refer to as the unpardonable sin. It's a sin where there is no desire to be repented. That's something that Christians need to make sure that we don't do. We want to stay connected to Christ. As long as we do, we're saved and we're in His hands.

Nancy: That's a relief. Thank you.

Pastor Ross: Does that help, Nancy?

Nancy: Yes, it helps. [laughs] I've been a Christian for many, many years and this is the first time I've really head of anyone say that. As much as I try to walk in that glow and with a Christian life and living faith, I messed from time to time and I just didn't know if that was going to put me-- I like being in that book.

Pastor Ross: Absolutely. That's why we have the Holy Spirit that brings conviction. When we are convicted that we are doing something out of harmony with God's will and be recognized that and we go to God and repent it, to be asked for forgiveness, that means the Holy Spirit is working on us and we're in that saving relationship with God. Just because a person sins, it doesn't mean that God abandons us. Rather it means that we need to realize our need for Him and need to rely upon Him more and have a stronger faith.

Nancy: Yes, exactly. Thank you so much, Pastor. I can relax now. Thank you.

Pastor Ross: All right. Thank you for you call, Nancy. We appreciate it.

Nancy: Yes. God bless you. Thank you so much.

Pastor Ross: Thank you.

Nancy: Bye-bye.

Pastor Ross: Bye-bye. Our next caller that we have is calling from Alabama. We have Maria. Maria, welcome to the program.

Maria: Thank you so much. God bless you this evening. I have a question. If you're a Christian, you didn't say you do truly believe, and when you die, when you close your eyes, do you go from death to life? When you die, do you wake up with Jesus or do are you in a sleep? A big deep sleep?

Pastor Ross: Very good question. The bible says that flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom. We also know that when Jesus comes the second time, that He's going to change our mortal bodies and make them immortal. We also know that there's going to be a glorious resurrection when Jesus comes, and the dead in Christ will be raised first. That's 1 Thessalonians 4. The reward of the redeemed occur at the second coming of Christ.

When a person dies and they breathe their last breath and they think their last thought and they die, the very next conscious thought that they will have is the second coming of Jesus because they'll be resurrected from the dead. Someone might be dead for 10 years or 100 years or 2,000 years, but to them, the moment they die, the very next thought they have is the second coming of Jesus because in death, there is no time. We're not aware of what's happening. Where the Bible sometimes likens death to a sleep, a dreamless sleep.

For the believer, the moment you close your eyes in death, the very next thing you know, Jesus is coming and you're resurrected. A lot of time might have passed between your death and your resurrection but you are unaware of that. That's why Paul says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. The moment we die, the very next thing we know is we have our new bodies and we are resurrected, Jesus is coming and forever we're with the Lord.

Maria: Hallelujah, Jesus. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Pastor Ross: You're welcome and thank you, Maria, for your call.

Maria: Thank you.

Pastor Ross: We do have a lesson that you might find interesting dealing with the subject of what happens when a person dies. It's called Are the Dead Really Dead?. It's an amazing fact study guide and we'll be happy to send that to anyone who calls and asks our resource phone line. Our phone line is 800-835-6747. Again, that's 800-835-6747. You can ask for the study guide called Are the Dead Really Dead?. It walk about this subject on what the Bible teaches on it.

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Pastor Ross: Our next caller that we have is Betty and she's listening from Michigan. Betty, welcome to the program.

Betty: Hi.

Pastor Ross: Hi. Thanks for you call.

Betty: How are you?

Pastor Ross: Very good. Thank you. Your questions, Betty?

Betty: I've been going to an Apostolic church and they said that you have to be baptized in Jesus' name and speak in tongue for the evidence of having the Holy Spirit in order to go to heaven. I've been baptized in Jesus' name about 26 years ago but I've never spoken tongue.

Pastor Ross: Okay. Your question is do you have to speak in tongues in order to be saved or as an evidence that you have the Holy Spirit in you?

Betty: Yes, in order to be saved and go to heaven.

Pastor Ross: Okay. The short answer is no. A matter of fact, there's a misunderstanding today amongst some Christian with reference to what it means to speak in tongues. Speaking in tongues is on of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It's given for the furtherance of the gospel. The first thing we need to understand is that the word tongues means language. The first manifestation of the gift of tongues that we read about is in the book of Acts. It's when there were people from all different counties gathered in Jerusalem and the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples and they got up and they preached in these different languages that people were able to hear the gospel preached to them in their own tongue or in their own language.

There are some experiences, and I know some missionaries who had supernatural abilities to speak a language that they had not learned for the purpose of communicating the gospel to other people. That's what the gift of tongues really means. Do you have to speak in an unknown language or a language you have not learned as evidence that you have the Holy Spirit? No. The evidence of the Holy Spirit for the Christian isn't the gifts of the Spirit, it's the fruit of the spirit. The fruit of the Spirit is love and joy and peace and patience, long suffering, gentleness, meekness, self-control. That's evidence that the Holy Spirit is working in a person's heart, not the gift.

The Holy Spirit will give gifts based upon the needs of the church. To some, the gift of healing, to some, the gift of speaking a language that they have not learned, in other, there's the gift of administration or leadership, some have the gift of music. The Holy Spirit give gifts as needed in the church but evidence of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer is the fruit of the Spirit, not the gifts of the Spirit. Does that make sense, Betty?

Betty: Yes. Would I have to be baptized in Jesus' name only or [crosstalk]

Pastor Ross: The Bible says when we're baptized in the name of Jesus, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, that we are forgiven, and that the Holy Spirit begins to work within us. There is no need for some manifestation of some kind of speaking in tongues as a testimony that we have the Holy Spirit. That's not taught in the new testament. That's not taught anywhere in the Bible actually.

Betty, we have a book that I think you'd really enjoy reading because this is an important subject and a lot of people have questioned about it. The book is simply called Understanding Tongues. We'll be happy to send it to you for free, Betty, or anyone wanting to learn more about this. There is some confusion out there in Christianity today about the gift of tongues. The number to call is 800-835-6747, and ask for the book called Understanding Tongues. One more time, it's 800-835-6747 and ask for the book Understanding Tongues. We'll be happy to send that out to anyone who calls and asks.

We have Aaron who's listening in Arizona. Aaron, welcome to the program.

Aaron: Hi, Pastor Ross. Thank you for taking my call.

Pastor Ross: You're welcome.

Aaron: My question is how do I confront pastors or youth leaders about bringing worldly music into the church or some youth event.

Pastor Ross: That can be a challenge. There are sometimes, in the church, that think that they're in order and they're sincere in their thinking but in order to try and reach the youth, we need to somehow use the music that the world is using to entertain the youth. I think as Christians, we need to be careful to adopt a worldly methods to try and reach heavenly ends. It doesn't always work that way. I've often had people that were very much into worldly music that became Christians and the more their faith grew the more their taste for music changed away from the style of music that they were very much involved with in the world, to a more heavenly style, you might say, or more biblically-based form of worship and music.

Yes, it can be a challenge. I found probably if there is someone in the church that is advocating these worldly music in the church, one of the best things to do is to share your own personal experience or a testimony of someone that you know who became a Christian and came out of that style of music and they recognize that they were looking for something different and better in the church. They weren't just looking for the same style of worship or the same style of music that they had in the world.

Aaron: Okay.

Pastor Ross: But it is a delicate subject. I think one needs to go and deal with much prayer. But I think a personal testimony is still one of the more powerful ways of helping people understand that we don't have to try and copy the world to evangelize, especially reach the youth.

Aaron: Okay, awesome. Thank you.

Pastor Ross: All right. Thank you, Aaron. We appreciate your call. Our next caller that we have is Jay, listening I think it's in Maryland. Jay, welcome to the program.

Jay: Hello, how you doing?

Pastor Ross: Doing well and your question this evening.

Jay: Okay. My question is, you answered part of it earlier, but my other part is I was reading about the guys in the Bible. The tribes got together and I think it was Aaron told the guys, "Hey, look, go look at the promised land." They sent 12 leaders from each tribe?

Pastor Ross: Right, one leader from each of the tribes. Yes.

Jay: Okay. They went they looked at the land and they came back and one of them was like, we can take them through God's will and everything.

Pastor Ross: Yes, they were two of them. Two of them said, "We can go up and take the land." The other 10 said, "No, we can't. We're grasshoppers and they're giants. We can't go."

Jay: Okay. In the midst of that, right?

Pastor Ross: Yes.

Jay: When they explained that to the people, it said, the people cried, tore their shirts. They wanted to stone them. Who did they want to stone?

Pastor Ross: They wanted to stone, Moses and Aaron. They blamed Moses and Aaron. First of all, it was a lack of faith on their part. Even though the two spies came back Joshua and Caleb. They said, "If God is with us, we can take this land." They told how beautiful the land is. All the spies agreed that it was a wonderful land. They brought back fruit from the land. But the people instead of exercising faith and believing what Aaron and Moses was encouraging them to do, along with the two spies that were there, they decided to reject the two spies and go along with the opinion of the 10 spies.

As a result, they got so angry. They said, "We want to stone." They wanted to stone Aaron and Moses and God had to interpose on their behalf because yes, they got so angry. As a result of that lack of faith and rebellion the children of Israel ended up wandering in the wilderness for another 40 years before they were allowed to enter into the promised land. The only two that entered into the promised land, Moses didn't, Aaron didn't but Joshua and Caleb, the two spies that came back and said, we can take the land, they're the only two of those above 20 that were able to enter into the promised land.

Jay: Okay. All right. Can I ask another quick question?

Pastor Ross: Yes.

Jay: Okay. How do you know you're saved? I remember when I felt I was saved and I live in the hood. So, I got a lot of things as far as music, the internet, everything fun that comes and gets me but I remember when I got saved when I was younger, but I also know now when that guilty feeling comes when I something bad or I'm about to do something bad and some says, "Hey, believe. Don't do that. Don't smoke that, don't drink that. Don't go with them." Am I still saved?

Pastor Ross: That's a testimony the Holy Spirit is working upon you. If we keep connected to God, that doesn't mean we won't ever sin, but when we do sin, we repent of that sin and we recognize the need of Jesus. We say, "Please, Lord, forgive me. I can't do anything without you." As long as we stay connected to Christ, spend time in the word, spend time on your knees in prayer, allow the Holy Spirit to keep convicting you and leading and guiding you. We need not fear whether or not be saved if we stay connected to Jesus, He will work His will within us.

The problem is when we walk away from Jesus and we ignore him, and we neglect prayer and we neglect the study of his word, we're walking down a path where our hearts can get hotter. We can even spiritually speaking, grow deaf to hearing the Holy Spirit speak to us and we don't want that. That's not a good place to be for anyone.

Jay: Although I'm not going to say grieve the Holy Spirit, like you say, I can make the Holy Spirit mad or grieving where he will walk away from me.

Pastor Ross: Well, the Holy Spirit-

Jay: I don't want to do that.

Pastor Ross: All right. Well, the Holy Spirit is very consistent and very persistent in trying to keep us. It's not like, we offend God one time and He leaves us. No, God is long suffering, not willing that any should perish, the Bible says. I think the key for us as Christians is keep connected to God. Spend some time in His Word, spend time in prayer. Exercise faith in Him, believe His word, believe that he's there to help you. Believe that He loves you. Believe that He'll work His will in you. As our faith grows, our confidence in Him grows, we begin to see more and more of Him working in our hearts and lives.

Don't get discouraged. The devil wants you to get discouraged. Keep taking God at His Word. Keep trusting in Him.

Jay: Thank you so much. That means so much to me. Thank you.

Pastor Ross: All right. Well, God bless you, Jay. Friends, as you can hear, we hear music playing in the background and we've come to the end of this edition of Bible Answers Live. We want to thank you for calling and if we didn't get to your call today, call us next week. God bless.

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