How Awful Goodness Is

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One of the noblest features of a Christian is the readiness to forgive and the cheerfulness in recompensing good for evil, (C.H.S.). In the simplest essence, it is a reflection of Christ and His grace, a reflection of the goodness and sacrifice which lovingly convict. Join us to learn about surrendering to Christ to overcome, about growing our faith through trial, and about handling hatred from others. To triumph in grace is a difficult thing, but holding His hand we can accomplish any thing.

A Colossal City in Space

A Colossal City in Space
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Doug Batchelor: Hi, friends. Would you like to hear an amazing fact? The largest aircraft that ever flew was the Antonov 225 Mriya. Mriya means dream in Ukrainian. The aircraft was a modern engineering marvel featuring six massive turbofan engines each as big as a cement mixer. With an overall size that stretches far as a football field from nose to tail and wingtip to wingtip, the An-225 could carry 500,000 pounds of cargo. That's twice as much as a Boeing 747 freighter. It was designed and built in Ukraine throughout the 1980s to transport the Soviet space shuttle, and it took its maiden flight on December 21, 1988. Because it had a maximum takeoff weight of up to 1.32 million pounds, the An-225 had 32 landing wheels, with 20 of them that were steerable. The monster aircraft made its international debut in style by landing at the 1989 Paris Air Show with a Russian space shuttle on its back. Sadly, only one An-225 was made, and it was destroyed by the Russian missiles in February 2022. Anyone who ever saw this behemoth fly will never forget the sensation of wonder that something so heavy and massive could travel gracefully through the air. You know, Pastor Ross, the Bible speaks of an even larger transport that will someday go through the skies.

Jëan Ross: That's right, Pastor Doug. And no need for, you know, turboprop engines to move this object through the sky. But the Bible does speak of a city that's going to be coming from heaven to earth, and of course that city is called the New Jerusalem.

Doug: Yeah, and you can read about that. If you look in Revelations 21, verse 2 and 3 it says, "Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a voice from heaven saying, 'Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they will be His people. And God Himself will be with them and be their God.'" You know, it's just--it's difficult sometimes for people to imagine a city floating through the sky. Well, it's not as difficult maybe as it used to be because we've got a space station up there in the sky right now. And if man can do it, then why would we think God couldn't do it? So it is real. God has a real city in space that is going to come down out of heaven to the earth, and He wants you in the city. We have a special lesson that talks about heaven and this colossal city.

Jëan: That's right. The study guide is actually called "A Colossal City in Space." That is our free offer to anyone who is watching or listening. To receive it, just call the number 800-835-6747. You can ask for offer number 115. Or you just dial #250 on your phone and say "Bible Answers Live" and then ask for the study guide. It's called "A Colossal City in Space." We'll be happy to send it to anyone here in--listening in North America, the US and Canada. And if you are outside of North America, you can just go to our website, just, and you'll be able to read the study guide right there for free as well.

Well, as mentioned, Pastor Doug, this is "Bible Answers Live." So we want to welcome all of those who are joining us across the country and around the world. And for those who are tuning in on the internet we want to welcome you as well, and the various television networks. You know, before we get to the Bible questions, it's always important for us to begin with prayer because we're talking about God's book. And if we're going to understand God's book correctly, we want the Holy Spirit to be with us. So let's do that. Dear Father, we thank You for Your Word. We thank You for the opportunity that we have to be able to study and learn, and we do ask Your blessing. Send the Spirit that inspired the book at the beginning to be with us, Lord. Be with those who are listening wherever they might be. In Jesus's name, amen.

Doug: Amen. All right, we're ready to go to the phone lines. Our first caller for this evening is Elijah listening in Washington. Elijah, welcome to "Bible Answers Live."

Elijah: Hello, pastors. Thank you guys for taking my call.

Doug: Well, thanks for calling.

Elijah: So my question was, during Jesus's ministry on earth here, did he remember his position in heaven in creating the world and walking in the garden with Adam and Eve and all those things? That was my question. And if he did or if he didn't, is there a reason why? Which I'm sure there is a reason why, but--

Doug: Well, that's a good question. Let's talk about that for a minute. So I think you would agree, Elijah, that when Jesus was born as a baby and he looked up at his mother and his father, he did not have all of the knowledge of life and his pre-incarnate existence in his mind or he would've come forth into the world speaking. He had to learn to speak. That means he didn't know everything. He probably had to learn to walk like a normal child, and it seems that as he needed to know something his Father in heaven would reveal it to him. Now, did he know something of his pre-existence? Yes. Because he told the religious leaders, "Before Abraham was, I am." So he knew something, and he says, you know, "Abraham longed to see my day and he saw it." So I think that Jesus understood something. I'm not sure that at the time he was living on the earth and walking around it he had all the knowledge of the creation and everything through eternity in his mind, but--I don't know. I mean, it just doesn't say.

Jëan: You know, just to add to that, Pastor Doug, one time the disciples asked Jesus, they said when is He coming back; and Jesus said, "No man knows the day or the hour. Only the Father in heaven." So at that point, the specifics hadn't been revealed to Christ. Obviously, now He does. He's with the Father. So they were some things, like you mentioned, that they were revealed to Christ as needed by the Holy Spirit.

Doug: Yeah, so yeah, hopefully that helps, Elijah. Good question.

Jëan: All right, we've got Edward listening in Arizona. Edward, welcome to the program.

Edward: Hey. How are you doing, pastors?

Doug: Doing wonderful. Thank you for calling.

Edward: Thank you guys for accepting my call. If you're schizoaffectious, do you have to overcome the schizoaffective disorder for your place, I mean, in the kingdom of God? And if so, how do you overcome it?

Doug: Well, the Lord meets us where we're at, and--you know, I'm not saying that medical conditions can't be overcome because of course Jesus can heal physical, mental, psychological illnesses. But that doesn't mean that a person that may be struggling with these things will always be healed, and it doesn't mean that something--you know, some medical condition you're born with is going to keep you from the kingdom. I think God expects us to surrender to Him, to trust Him, we're saved by faith, and to walk in the light as we have it and--any thoughts on that?

Jëan: Absolutely. You know, as we come to Christ, we can give ourselves completely to him and say, "Lord, you know, give me the strength to change those things I can change and then give me the courage and the faith to accept those things that I can't." And place it in your hand and believe that you will work things out. So it's a corporative relationship. We're trusting in God to do the work that only He can do, but we are surrendering ourselves to Him.

Doug: Yeah. Does that make sense, Gary? I'm sorry. Edward?

Edward: Yeah, that does make sense.

Doug: Okay. Well, you just keep trusting Jesus and ask Him to help you grow in grace and victory and, you know, always pray that He can heal you because I never underestimate God's ability to heal and to transform. That's the new birth.

Jëan: All right. Next caller that we have is Gary listening in Illinois. Gary, welcome to "Bible Answers Live."

Gary: In the church it's often said as God protected Israel during the plagues we'll be protected, but I see in Matthew 24, verse 13 he who endures to the end will be saved. It implies that we're suffering because we are enduring. And then, again, in verse 22, "But for the elect's sake these days will be shortened." It, again, implies that we're suffering, and I think it's already happening. In Illinois we've got tornados 2 and 3 miles wide travel for hundreds of miles. So my question is, is God protecting us or what's going on?

Doug: Well, it's a mix, and let me use a Bible example. The children of Israel who went through the ten plagues in Egypt, God protected them through the last seven plagues, but they also experienced the same calamity as the Egyptians for--through the first three plagues. So in the last days when the seven last plagues fall, God is going to protect His people. I don't think what you're seeing now are the seven last plagues because once the seven last plagues begin probation is closed and no one's going to be saved after that. So do Christians, the righteous sometimes suffer along with the wicked? Yeah, that's always been the case. God does love and also watches over His people. But, you know, in times of trial believers often testify by their faith through trial, not because He saves us from every trial. And we grow patience through trial.

Jëan: All right. Thank you, Gary. We've got Junith listening in Nevada. Junith, welcome to the program.

Junith: Hello. A blessed evening, Pastor Ross and Pastor Doug. Can you hear me?

Doug: Yes.

Junith: Yes? Okay, wonderful. Thank you for taking my call. My question is, did Jesus come to the world through the cruel cross of Calvary not just to bring back His perfect circle of love and His perfect shalom to earth--the planet earth but also He did it because--to restore the same circle of His love and shalom to the whole universe because in assassinating His character by Lucifer the holy angels did not understand. Can you please explain further more in that perspective? Thank you.

Doug: Yeah. So yes, Jesus--one of the things that Christ did by his death is to restore a better image of the character of God. That's why Jesus said, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father." He said he came to reveal the Father among other things. He also came as our sacrifice, and he also is restoring peace not only to the planet. It says he's going to make a new heaven and a new earth. All things that were made were made by Jesus, meaning he made the first heaven and earth; and then after the wicked are judged, he creates a new heaven and a new earth. And so there'll be a total restoration and Satan and his angels and all the wicked are going to be destroyed with an everlasting fire, meaning they're burnt up forever and the universe has no more pain, sorrow. All things are made new. So it's a total restoration of His original plan, but it's actually an upgrade.

Jëan: You know, the Bible also tells us that when that time comes, when the judgment has been taking place and everybody sees the truth, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. There's no exceptions to that rule, so that will include both the angels. Even the devil himself will acknowledge that God is fair and just in what He has done. Now, that doesn't mean it's genuine conversion or repentance, but there is an acknowledgment of God's character and that'll be manifested right at the end of time.

Doug: Thank you. Appreciate that, Junith.

Jëan: All right, we got Brad listening in California. Brad, welcome to "Bible Answers Live."

Brad: My question pertains to Psalms 137, verse 1, and it's kind of a two-part question. I was wondering--I was always under the impression that when David went to his grave, that he passed his blessing on to Solomon and he thought that the throne would be established in his bloodline forever yet in Psalms 137:1 he's writing the song that the Israelites sang when they were taken captive in Babylon, and I was wondering--I'm trying to wrap my head around that. Did he know that Israel would eventually be taken captive and not tell his son?

Doug: Yeah. First of all, you know, Jesus, Brad, didn't--I'm sorry. David did not write all of the psalms. David wrote about 70, maybe 71 of the psalms. The later psalms are written by some of his musicians and others like Asaph, and it talks about them. You'll notice that some of the psalms will say a Psalm of David, and then some of them, like 137, it's talking about Babylon. This is a psalm that was probably written following the captivity. Isn't that your understanding, Pastor Ross, that they're--because it's saying, "By the rivers of Babylon we wept." This is after they had been captured by Nebuchadnezzar. It's one of the later psalms. And so I don't know if that helps with your question just to know that David probably didn't write this one.

Brad: Yeah. I was always under the impression that the whole book of Psalms was written before Solomon took the throne.

Doug: I used to think that all the psalms were written by David because so many of them began the Psalm of David, the Psalm of David like Psalm 23. But one psalm is written by Moses. I think--is it 90 or 91? It's written by Moses, and many are by Solomon, some are by Asaph. But David wrote about 70 as near as we can tell. So just about half. This is probably not one because it's talking about the Babylonian captivity that happened many generations. Now, it is true that the son of David--all the sons of David--that was kept in the genealogy; and it mentions this in Matthew, that Jesus is a direct descendant of David and Solomon and that He is the ultimate son of David that would reign forever. So the line of the Davidic promise and the covenant to David did not fail. Some of the kings did not reign between the Babylonian captivity and Christ. I think even Zerubbabel was a descendant of David. So briefly they had a governor. But anyway, hope that helps a little bit. Thanks so much. Appreciate that, Brad.

Jëan: All right. Next caller that we have is Mark listening in Alaska. Mark, welcome to "Bible Answers Live."

Mark: Hey. How is it going, pastors? Thanks a got--a lot for you guys' passion. I really enjoy your interpretations, and I really enjoy listening to you guys sometimes because it helps me with my interpretations.

Doug: Well, thank you. We appreciate it, and glad we could be of service. And your question tonight?

Mark: Yeah, I had a question on 13--Matthew 13:44, and it talks about the treasure--the kingdom is like a treasure hidden in a field. And maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that--my understanding is the treasure ain't hidden. I think maybe I'm wrong, but--maybe correct me. I think that Jesus is saying this treasure that is hidden is the synagogue of Satan and they're in unity and they're hard workers. The secular civil government, they're such hard workers. Don't you think that maybe Jesus was saying look at these people. If the Christians could only work as hard as these people--

Doug: Okay, let's take a stab at it. Now, I'm going to read this for our friends who are listening, Mark. A lot of folks are driving down the road and they can't look it up, and this is in Matthew chapter 13, verse 44. "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys the field." Now, it is true that there are people in the world that are very diligent workers. But I think the picture in this parable--let me just back you up. In Bible times, they did not have banks as we do today. And if people wanted to go shopping, they'd get their money. They didn't always keep it in the house because--maybe a little bit because people could rob it. And it was very common for people to bury their treasures somewhere on their property, and it will often happen that someone would die and someone else would find it.

Now, right here in Northern California we had someone up the road. They were out walking their dog and they found cans--some like 5-gallon old cans filled with gold coins from the San Francisco Mint. They're worth a fortune, millions of dollars they found on their land. Now this man he's leasing land and he's out plowing the land and he uproots someone's treasure, and it says and he hid it, means--he thought, "Oh, man, I know this field is very valuable to get treasure." He could just steal the treasure, but he doesn't. He's honest. He says, "I'm going to buy the field, then I own the treasure." So he cover it up. It says he goes and he buys the field. He's willing to sell everything to get the field. This is talking about really somebody who discovers the good news of the gospel and they realize its value, and they sell everything to get it.

Now, this parable is very much like the one follows about a merchant who finds a beautiful pearl of great price and he sells everything to get this one pearl. The point is Jesus is saying they were willing to give all for the treasure, and we need to be willing to--he says, "If you don't forsake all, take up your cross and follow me, you're not worthy." That means we give God 100% of our heart. He said we need to love Him more than our father, mother, sister, brother, husband, wife. We need to love Him first. And so this is one of the many parables that talks about it's worth everything to follow Christ.

Jëan: All right. Thank you, Mark. We've got Anna listening in Oregon. Anna, welcome to "Bible Answers Live."

Anna: Evening, pastors.

Doug: Evening.

Anna: My question is about jewelry and what the Bible says about it, but in particular wearing a cross. Is that a form of, like, idol worship?

Doug: Well, I would say--you know, certainly there's going to be a lot of people in heaven that wear crosses, but there's really no command in the Bible that says to wear a cross. We're told to bear the cross, and--you know, the cross was a--it's an instrument of torture. So I don't know that the--anywhere in the Bible had ever told us to make crosses and bow to them and everything. And I realized that--you know, Paul says, "I'm determined to know nothing among you but Jesus Christ and him crucified, and I'll glory in the cross." And that means the sacrifice of Christ. But sometimes we sort of make an idol out of the icon of the cross and we're not really told to do that in the Bible. Now, that--you know, that could be lumped together with the idea of jewelry. And, you know, folks that have listened to me for years know that I think that there are commands in the Bible that say--and principles that say that Christians should avoid wearing jewelry and artificial ornamentation not only because it's cost and the display, but there's some Scriptures like where Peter says let the adorning not be the outward adorning. I think this is 1 Peter chapter 3. Don't let it be the outward adorning the wearing of gold or apparel. Paul says let it not be gold and pearls and costly array. Let it be modest, and--then in Isaiah talks about the daughters of Babylon that go around with, you know, swishing as they go wearing, and he talks about a number of jewelry items; earrings and so forth, nose rings.

And I think Christians are best known by simplicity. A few years ago a lot of televangelists got into trouble with various scandals and the world was having fun making fun of the televangelists, and many of them were prosperity preachers that wore just a lot of gaudy jewelry and makeup and they were mocked because of their appearance. So I advocate that the Bible teaches Christians ought to be modest--clean and neat, modest. It doesn't mean we need to wear rags, but I think we ought to avoid any kind of ornamentation. And, again, there's nowhere--I know people think wearing a cross is good luck. Well, that's idolatry. You know, there's no good luck. It's not a chicken bone or something that--or rabbit's foot. So yeah, just letting people know you're a Christian is the best thing. Now, I do have a book that actually talks about this. It's called "Jewelry: How Much Is Too Much?"

Jëan: And we'll be happy to send that to anyone here in North America, in the US or in Canada. The number to call for that is 800-835-6747. You can ask for the book called "Jewelry: How Much Is Too Much?" You can also just dial #250 on your smartphone, say "Bible Answers Live," and then you can also ask for the book that way as well. If you have a Bible question, our phone line here in the studio is 800-463-7297. We got Philip listening in Arkansas. Philip, welcome to the program.

Philip: Hi. Good evening. Thanks for taking my call.

Doug: Yes, thank you.

Philip: Revelation--yeah, I have a question on Revelation 13:13 through 14. Do you guys think that the signs and wonders and miracles part of the--that the second beast performs on the sight of the first beast, has that started to become fulfilled yet? And if so, do you think AI plays any type of role with technology in the end?

Doug: That's a fascinating question. I've been thinking a lot about AI this weekend. I'll even make a public confession that I tried to manufacture my first AI picture. Well, I did. I didn't do it, but I used one of the online programs to see if it would produce a picture of angels flying through heaven and it did. Pretty kind of rough, but it did and I think, "Boy, this is a scary technology." Do I think that's the signs and wonders? No. The second beast is alive and well today. I don't think that it's using the signs and wonders it's going to use to manipulate the first beast and the rest of the world yet because the spiritual issue haven't really matured. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, Pastor Ross.

Jëan: Yeah, when it talks about it, one of the signs specifically mentioned is it talks about fire coming down from heaven that the second beast will do; and we know from the Bible fire coming down from heaven is often associated with the Spirit of God or a counterfeit of the Spirit of God. It can be a blessing or it could be a judgment. So what we find in the last days is there's this religious movement, and it appears as though God's blessing is on it. There's the--fires coming out from heaven. There's much emphasis on the Holy Spirit and miracles and wonders, and it's not the Spirit of God. It's a counterfeit spirit that is leading people astray in the last days, and that power working with the political power described as the second beast in Revelation 13 sets things up at the end.

Doug: Yeah. Yeah, we remember in the story of Elijah that the great proof that God was with Elijah is that fire came down from heaven. So what's the world going to think when all of a sudden the great proof that Elijah uses now being used by the counterfeit? It's going to be very deceptive. Well, hope that helps a little. Thanks so much. We got 2 minutes. Can we do one more before our break?

Jëan: We got Lee listening in Texas. Lee, welcome to the program.

Lee: Yes, I was calling because I was supposed to be re-baptized on Easter, but being--but I've been baptized four times in my life and being baptized again on Easter would have been my fifth time. My pas--the pastor that was going to do it said it's not necessary being that I've been baptized so many times. Do I still need to be re-baptized again or is it not necessary?

Doug: Well, let me tell you, there's three principal reasons a person might be re-baptized. One would be if they've never been baptized biblically by immersion. Some people are baptized as babies and they just didn't know what was going on, or they've been sprinkled and the Bible is very clear we should be immersed in the water. That's what the word baptized means. Another reason to be re-baptized would be if you've come into just a whole new understanding of what the truth is, and an example of that would be Acts 19 where it says these 12--you read the first few verses, these 12 Ephesian believers, they had heard about John the Baptist. They got baptized by immersion. But they had not heard about Jesus. They had left town before they heard about that and the outpouring of the Spirit. Paul preached them all this new truth they'd missed and they said, "We want to get baptized again." And they were and they were filled with the Holy Spirit. Third reason to be re-baptized would be is--you've kind of divorced yourself from the Lord. It doesn't mean, you know--so you're baptized and then you sin and you make a mistake, you got to run and get baptized again. Well, we'd all be getting baptized every week if that was the case. So--but if a person is totally--they've stopped going to church. They've backslidden. And it's not that they get discouraged for a week or two but the tenor of their life they sort of divorce themselves from the church and the Lord, when they return it would probably be appropriate to be re-baptized but not in every case and it--there's variables.

Now, how often should a person be re-baptized? Well, it's like marriage. You know, you--if a person says, "I've been married ten times," well, you think there's a problem there. It's a sacred ordinance, and you don't want to be doing it carelessly or frequently. So it should be done with great care, and that covenant should be protected. Sometimes a person could just go through the communion service and that will serve like a mini baptism, and it gives them--gives all of us a new beginning. So I hope that helps a little bit. And we do have a book on "Baptism: Is It Necessary?" Lee, you can get a free copy.

Jëan: Just call and ask for that. Call Amazing Facts, and we'll be happy to send it to anyone in North America who calls and asks.

Doug: All right. Friends, don't go away. We're going to take our mid-time break. Coming back with more Bible questions in a moment.

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Doug: Welcome back, listening friends, to "Bible Answers Live," and we're here to do our best to answer any Bible question you might have about the Word of God or living the Christian life. We've got our Bibles at our fingertips, and you can simply call. It's a free phone call, and that number is 800-463-7297 and that's 800-GODSAYS. We're streaming also on Facebook and YouTube. We're on AFTV and replayed on Hope Channel and a number of other networks. My name is Doug Batchelor.

Jëan: My name is Jëan Ross, and we got a number of callers waiting with their Bible question. We're going to go to Joan in Australia. Joan, welcome to the program.

Joan: Hello, how are you?

Doug: Hi, doing good. Thanks for calling.

Joan: My question comes today from 2 Kings 5. It's the story of Captain Naaman and--with the prophet Elijah--Elisha and Gehazi, and I just want to--if you could help me paint the picture. Gehazi went accepted by lie a payment, went back and the prophet said, "Did my heart not go with you? Is it now that you accept payment?" And then Prophet Elisha says, "Captain Naaman's leprosy will now be with you." And he walked out as white as snow, Gehazi. So as the story goes on in the Bible with Elisha, it also continues with Gehazi. So I was just thinking--so does he continue working with the prophet as white as snow, with leprosy?

Doug: Yeah. No. I think the next time you see Gehazi he may be--well, there's two possible times. There are four lepers in 2 Kings chapter 6. They're in 2 Kings chapter 7 during a famine, and Josephus is one of those four lepers that said, "We're not doing what is right. This is a day of good news." May have been Gehazi. Later you see Gehazi, he's talking to the king and telling the king about the miracles of Elisha. And a person might say, "Well, if he's got leprosy, what's he doing talking to the king?" Well, there's a few different possibilities. One is that he was later healed and forgiven. Doesn't say that in the Bible. The other is even people with leprosy could communicate, but they had to keep a certain distance. And so maybe he was talking to the king. It was some distance between them because he was unclean. That's a difficult scenario to imagine. So--you know, we can only speculate, but Gehazi does appear later in the story after he gets leprosy. He's talking to the king and telling about the miracles of Elisha. So he may have been healed. It's hard to say.

Joan: Yeah, and the other one last story was the lady that didn't have a child.

Doug: Yeah, the Shunammite woman. Yeah. And the story of the Shunammite--not all the stories of Elisha's miracles are in chronological order. The emphasis is that Elisha has doubled the Holy Spirit of Elijah and then it begins to recount examples of his miracles. I'm not sure that they're all written in chronological order. So the Shunammite, I think, happened before the story of Naaman.

Joan: Okay. Thank you.

Doug: Thanks. Great questions.

Jëan: All right, next caller that we have is Abigail in Florida. Abigail, welcome to the program.

Abigail: Hi, pastors. How are you guys?

Doug: We're doing much better than we deserve.

Abigail: Awesome. My question is in Matthew 27:52, 53. Who were the saints they were referring to? Were they people, and did they ascend into heaven or where did they go?

Doug: Okay, good question. In Matthew 27 it talks about that when Christ died on the cross after he cried out, "Lord, you know, into Your hands I commend my spirit. It is finished," there's a great earthquake, and in connection with that earthquake it says many of the graves--not all. It's not a universal resurrection, but many--and not all the graves around Jerusalem, but some of the graves of saints, saved people who were resting in their graves around Jerusalem, were opened. And then after when Christ came out of His grave Sunday morning, some of them arose and appeared to people in Jerusalem briefly probably because it's not even mentioned in John or Mark or Luke. But there were people who saw some of the resurrected saints that evidently they ascended to heaven with Christ when He ascended after He'd spoken with Mary. And who were they? Doesn't name them. There are some people who are believers in God, faithful, buried somewhere in the area around Jerusalem and probably not John the Baptist because I think he was buried down by the Jordan somewhere. It--you know, it could have been people like Isaiah. We don't know. It doesn't say their names. But how many, we don't know. But there is a first fruits that--I think you've got a verse in Ephesians talks--

Jëan: Yeah, there is. Ephesians chapter 4, verse 8 actually talks about a group that ascended with Jesus, and here you have Paul quoting the Old Testament. He says, "For when he ascended on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men." And he's actually quoting here from Psalm 68, but it's referring to those who are held captive by death or by the grave. They were resurrected and they ascended with Jesus when he ascended to heaven.

Doug: Yeah. So hope that helps a little bit, Abigail, and--yes, we do have a study guide that talks about the dead and it's--and the resurrection that says "Are the Dead Really Dead?" And if you're interested, we can send you a free copy of that.

Jëan: The number to call for that is 800-835-6747 and, again, just ask for the study guide. It's called "Are the Dead Really Dead?" Next caller that we have is Inga listening in Canada. Inga, welcome to the program.

Inga: Hello, pastor.

Doug: Hi.

Inga: Hi. My question is, is there going to be technology in heaven?

Doug: Well, when you say technology--of course, you know, God is the author of all true science. And so there--will there be scientific wonders? I would think of course. Will we have smartphones? Probably not because I'm thinking that a lot of things that the smartphones are doing now we'll be able to do in supernatural ways when we get to heaven. We won't need a GPS. I think the Holy Spirit is going to tell us where we are. We'd get lost pretty quick in the universe without some kind of divine GPS. But we'll be--you know, we'll be probably doing all kinds of research into the beauties and wonders of God, and I--it says we're going to plant vineyards and eat the fruit and build houses. So we're doing constructive things. Is it plausible that as history goes by we'll be making things? Yeah, I believe so.

Jëan: All right. Thank you. Next caller that we have is Jerry listening in Oregon. Jerry, welcome to "Bible Answers Live."

Jerry: Good evening, Pastors Ross and Batchelor. I'm reading John 5:24, which says, "Verily truly I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." But the--when I look at Matthew 12:36 it says that everyone will have to give an account of every idle word. And then Revelation 20:12 says that the books are open and the dead are judged according to what they have done. So my question is, are the believers judged or not judged?

Doug: All right, let me--there's one more. You've read some good verses there. You can look--well, I might give you two more. Romans 14:10 Paul says in the last part of that, "For we will all stand--" He's talking to the church. "We will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ." And then if you look in 2 Corinthians 5:10 it says, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body." So with that in mind, what does it mean there in the Gospel of John where it says we've passed from judgment? I think that he's basically saying that because of the blood of Christ our sins are stricken from the books. So when they look in the books it says forgiven, but the books are going to be examined and the only way that our deeds are not going to rise up against us is if they are confessed, repented of, and under the blood of Christ. But there's still a judgment that reveals that. Now, some judgment takes place before Jesus comes because I think it's obvious to everybody that if Christ is distributing rewards when He comes some investigation takes place before He comes, sometimes referred to as a pre-Advent judgment.

So the judgment sort of happens in three phases. It tells us that we will judge angels, Paul says. During the millennium, judgment is given to the saints and there's--we're looking at the judgments of God, of why some people maybe aren't there and why some people are there. I can picture in the resurrection that when Stephen sees the apostle Paul in heaven he's going to think the angels did something wrong because the last time Stephen sees Paul he was killing Christians. Now he's in heaven. So the--Stephen will get to look at the judgment books. And so we're sort of looking at some of the judgments of God. And then there's a final Great White Throne Judgment where all the dead are resurrected, and that's called an executive judgment. They're given their penalty, but, again, the books are opened and every knee, saved, lost, devils, angels--everybody is going to bow before Christ and say he is Lord.

Jëan: You know, we have a couple of study guides that talk about the judgment. People want to learn more about that, if you call and ask for "The Final Judgment." It's one of the Amazing Facts study guides. We'll be happy to send that to you. You can also ask for the one called "Right on Time." That is sort of part one and part two about the judgment. The number to call for that is 800-835-6747, and you can ask for the study guide called "Right on Time" and "The Final Judgment." It'll tell you all about what's happening in this heavenly courtroom that's described in the Bible. So 800-835-6747. Next caller that we have is Aaron listening in New York. Aaron, welcome to "Bible Answers Live."

Aaron: Good evening, pastors.

Doug: Evening.

Aaron: If a stranger insults you by calling you a derogatory word for no apparent reason and immediately leaves you so that you cannot ask them what happened, is it okay to do nothing about the insult and act like it never happened or should you give a prayer for forgiveness for that stranger?

Doug: Well, Jesus said, "When people say all manner of evil against you falsely for my name's sake, rejoice." And the Bible then tells us to turn the other cheek and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. So the answer on both counts according to Jesus's teaching is as far as possible try and turn the other cheek. Now, if I'm standing on the corner and some lunatic comes up and starts, you know, taking swings at me, I'll probably defend myself. But, you know, if someone insults you, you just turn the other cheek. I get criticism all the time. Some of it's deserved, some of it's just being mean and, you know, I don't respond or retaliate because, you know, that's what Jesus did and that's what I think He wants us to do. When they--you look at the trial of Christ, they said all kinds of terrible things to Him and about Him and He really didn't defend Himself and Pilate was amazed. So--and then, of course, pray for. Jesus prayed for those crucifying Him. So should we pray for people that spitefully use us and persecute us? Yes. Is it hard? Yes. But that's where we're developing Christian virtues. Thanks, Aaron. I appreciate that.

Jëan: Next caller that we have is Carlos listening in Florida. Carlos, welcome to the program.

Carlos: Good evening, pastors.

Doug: Hi.

Carlos: Hebrews 4, verse 4 says, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise," comma--what certain place? And I'm not understanding this term here where--do you have a king--are you guys reading from King James?

Doug: Yeah, well, I've got the New King James here. It's almost identical.

Carlos: So it says, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise."

Doug: On this wise means in this way. Yeah. And he's quoting from the Old Testament in Exodus 20 where it says God rested the seventh day, and he may also be quoting from Genesis 2:2 because it says it in both places.

Carlos: So the place he's speaking from is the seventh day?

Doug: Well, no. It means that the--that King David, he's quoting about--he's talking about King David in chapter 4 of Hebrews, and it says for he spoke in a certain place--actually he's talking about--for God spoke in a certain place of the seventh day and God rested from His work, and he's talking about where in Genesis 2:2 it says that God rested from His work in creating the world.

Carlos: What is a certain place?

Doug: What is a certain place? It means in the--a place in the Scripture, and the place is--yeah, he's talking about--he's spoken--he's quoting various verses. Like if you look in verse 3 it says, "So I swore in my wrath they will not enter my rest." Here he's quoting from Psalm 95. So Hebrews, he's going through different places in the Old Testament. I think there are more quotes--more Old Testament quotes in Hebrews than any other New Testament book. I think Matthew and Romans might be next. Hey. Thank you, Carlos. I hope that helps a little bit.

Jëan: Next caller that we have is Troy listening in Massachusetts. Troy, welcome to the program.

Troy: Good evening, pastors. I just want to thank you guys for your faithfulness, and Amazing Facts have had a huge impact on my family. So I just want to thank you guys. My question now, it's about Daniel and Ezra. We know the 70-week prophecy with Ezra chapter 7 is where it starts the 70-week prophecy. And I'm reading Ezra now in Ezra chapter 4 with the resistance of building the temple and it says Artaxerxes had sent a letter to cease the work that's been going on in Jerusalem, and it says until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia. It's Ezra chapter 4 and verse 24. My question is, is this the same Artaxerxes that comes forth in chapter 7? Because in chapter 6 we have the issuing of the decree of Darius and in chapter 1 was from Cyrus. I'm just kind of confused if it's the same Artaxerxes in chapter 4 that's in chapter 7, if that makes any sense.

Doug: Yeah, I--yeah, good question. I think that it is different. You know, sometimes they had sons--or rulers. There's actually more than one Darius that had the same name. There's a Darius during the time of Daniel and then years later you get another Darius during the time of Ezra. And I could be wrong, Pastor Ross, but I think the one in chapter 7 is the Artaxerxes who did the decree that allowed them to go home, and the one who put up a blockade that you find in chapter 4, I think, it was a different king during a different time. So I don't know if you know more about that.

Jëan: Yeah, I was just going to mention a couple of other--there are three decrees that are particularly significant to the Jews that allowed them to go back and restore and rebuild Jerusalem; and the first decree was by Cyrus, the second was by Darius in 519, and then Artaxerxes was in 457 BC. So that's the one that's really recorded for us in Ezra; is the decree that allowed the Jews to go back not only rebuild the temple but actually the wall of the city, and that's the decree in 457 BC that starts the 70 weeks or the 490 years. So is there another Artaxerxes? There could be, but this is the one that the Bible speaks of, especially in Ezra, as being the most significant in issuing that decree.

Doug: Yeah. The decree is actually found in chapter 7. So I think he's wondering, is the Artaxerxes in chapter 4 the same one in chapter 7? And I'm trying to go back in my Persian history and remember. I just remember there were some of these kings that had the same name, but I know the Artaxerxes in chapter 7. That's the decree of 457. So I'm going to have to go look that up again because I'm second-guessing what I said. That just goes to show you, friends, we don't have all the answers, but we'll research that, Troy. I want to make sure I'm giving you the right answer. Thank you.

Jëan: Thanks. Next caller that we have is Nicole listening in Michigan. Nicole, welcome to the program.

Nicole: Hi, how are you?

Doug: Doing good. Thank you for calling.

Nicole: Good. I have a question about Numbers chapter 28, verse 7. It says that strong drink was to be offered in the sanctuary. What is that strong drink? Because I'm under the impression that the people of God were not supposed to have anything to do with alcoholic beverages and definitely not in the sanctuary. So what is this strong drink there?

Doug: Yeah. That's, I think, often misunderstood. The word strong there, it could in some places mean strong as in alcohol. They had another word for strong, and it's the word like concentrated. Now, you've probably had orange juice before that was made from concentrate. I'm guessing you've tasted what orange juice from concentrate tastes like before you add the water, and you could say that's really strong. The Jews used to actually dehydrate their grape juice so they could transport it and--you know, liquids are very heavy. They would dehydrate it, make it into a syrup, and then they'd reconstitute it. That sometimes was called strong drink. The word strong there meaning intense or concentrated. It might not be alcoholic at all and it, matter of fact, could be very sweet, almost a syrup. But then you'd add water again and it was just right. This may very well be what they're talking about because I don't think God approved them using alcohol. The two sons of Aaron were burnt to death. God rained fire down on heaven from them for drinking alcohol before they went to the sanctuary. It would seem strange that He would then endorse people bringing alcohol into the sanctuary.

Jëan: And, of course, we do have Leviticus. Actually, Leviticus chapter 10, verse 9 says, "Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink when you or your sons who are with you go into the tabernacle of meeting." So part of the sacrifice that was given would also be used to help sustain the priesthood. So the priests were clearly told that they were not to be drinking alcohol when they were involved in the sacrifice. So it was a concentrated sort of grape juice that could be diluted with water.

Doug: Yeah. And if you--I've got a book called "Alcohol and the Christian." I think it references--I wrote it, you know, 15 years ago so I don't even remember everything that's in it, but I think it references the strong drink that you find in this passage.

Jëan: The number to call for that is 800-835-6747. You can ask for the book called "Alcohol and the Christian." We'll be happy to send it to anyone who calls and asks. You can also dial #250 on your smartphone, ask for "Bible Answers Live," and then ask for the book "The Alcohol--or Alcohol and the Christian." Next caller that we have is Mike listening in Missouri. Mike, welcome to the program.

Mike: Well, here let me get to it real quick. My question concerns Acts chapter 12, verse 4 of the King James Version. And according to the Julian concordance the word for Passover in that particular passage is Easter. Now, this question is based on hearsay. I've never been able to find this in writing, but this person told me that east--I'm going to state it in the question. Is Easter the correct name for Passover when calculated by a Julian calendar?

Doug: No. Well, the word Easter is not the word in the original when they're translating it into English because the time of the Passover is the same time of year as the Catholics that celebrated and even the Orthodox Church, or whether you call the Church of England, the same time they celebrated Easter. Not always the same day because they would pick it differently. The Jews used more of a lunar cycle that--it's basically just saying that Herod was going to execute Peter during the Passover or after Passover was over. I think it's letting us know that's the same time of year they were going to--they did execute Jesus. So they use the word Easter there in the King James, but you'll find in most other versions they translate that Passover. What the exact date was, I think, it would be according to the Jewish calendar, not the Roman calendar because this is written by a Jew. So it's a lunar calendar, the Jewish civil calendar.

Mike: Okay.

Doug: He's just saying that--Herod didn't execute him right away because they're waiting for the Passover to be over.

Jëan: And if you look at the same verse in the New King James, which is very close to the King James, it does use the word Passover in place of Easter. So it sort of corrects that, a better word in that case. All right, thank you. Next caller that we have is Linda listening in California. Linda, welcome to the program.

Linda: Thank you. I'm confused about which are the people who will fight with the devil against the New Jerusalem.

Doug: Who will be fighting against the devil?

Linda: No, with the devil.

Doug: Who's fighting with the devil? Well, it tells us Gog and Magog. The devil rallies Gog and Magog, and you find that in Exodus chapter 20 and Exodus 20 is sort of quoting from Ezekiel 37 and 38. Gog and Magog--sorry. Yeah, Revelation. Thank you very much. Revelation chapter 20.

Linda: Where did the people come from because before the second coming the earth is--

Doug: I'm getting to that.

Linda: Okay, got you.

Doug: Yeah, they're resurrected. It says the rest of the dead--and now we're in Revelation chapter 20. The rest of the dead liveth not again until the thousand years are finished. So the dead in Christ rise first. So all the righteous are resurrected. There's only one group left who are the rest of the dead. If all the righteous are resurrected in the first resurrection, it says the dead in Christ rise first in 1 Thessalonians, who would the rest of the dead be, Linda?

Linda: The lost.

Doug: That's right. It's the wicked. It calls them Gog and Magog in Revelation because Revelation uses symbolic names for almost everybody. It uses Balaam and Napoleon and the lamb and the lion and Jezebel, and it uses Gog and Magog because in the Old Testament those were enemies of God's people from antiquity. Gog and then you've got Magog means from the matrix of Gog or the children of Gog. So it's like Babylon and her daughters. Gog and Magog, the wicked and the children of the wicked of--you've got the good. It says the woman and the seed of the woman. So you got the good side and the children of the woman. You got the bad side and the children of the wicked, and--so it's in that--all who have ever lived from every generation, they are coming against the people of God and the devil is rallying them to assault the city of God. And I think you also find that in the Book of Zechariah chapter 14, and God delivers His people at the crucial moment. Now, I hope that helps a little bit, Linda.

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Jëan: Hello, friends. Welcome back to "Bible Answers Live." And, again, as Pastor Doug mentioned just on the other side of the break, we're going to take some of your email questions. So if you'd like to send us an email question, our email address is And we'll try to answer as many of these questions as we can in the time allotted, about 2 1/2 minutes. Pastor Doug, first question we have, "If Satan was cast to the earth, where did he go during the flood?"

Doug: Yeah, I think people sometimes wonder if the whole world was flooded and if the devil was not in the ark, then--you know, they're looking at the devil as though he's got a physical body, but the Bible says we do not wrestle--Ephesians chapter 6, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. I mean, if we did, I'd love to punch the devil in the nose. Of course, I'm probably not stronger than him physically. But he's a spirit and he can sometimes manifest himself in physical ways, but ultimately he's a spirit. So I don't think he was worried about drowning per se. He didn't need scuba gear or anything, but he probably saw the catastrophe of the elements and feared for his own existence when he saw what was happening to humanity. He saw the terrible judgment that came on mankind. He probably feared; but no, he didn't need to worry about drowning.

Jëan: Okay. We have Rachel asking, will the 144,000 know that they are part of this group during the time that they're on the earth? Will it not be made known to them until Jesus's second coming?

Doug: Well, it's a good question, and I'm not sure I know the answer. The 12 apostles knew that they were the 12 that had been specifically chosen. Will the 144,000 know that they're, you know, 142,003? No, not necessarily. I think that there's going to be a special Spirit-filled group of apostles you might see in the last days doing a great work, but they may not know that they're one of them.

Jëan: All right. Next question that we have, "Can fallen angels still repent and be saved, or is the plan of salvation only for human beings?"

Doug: Well, probation is open for humans now. There was probably a time when angels could have repented. God gave them a period of grace, and we don't know it. It may have been thousands of years while this debate went on in heaven. But ultimately their probation closed and the angels know that they are now in everlasting chains of darkness. And the demons often said to Jesus, "We know who you are. Have you come to torment us before the time?" Meaning judge us. So they know there--the devil knows he has a short time. There's no turning back. The fallen angels have no redeemable qualities left. Friends, great questions. And we hope we can have more great questions next week. Give us a call. In the meantime, check out and keep us on the air. God bless.

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