Date: 01/25/2004 
Bioluminescence is an amazing phenomenon in which a chemical reaction in living organisms produces light, without any appreciable heat. This cool light, usually green or blue, results from a chemical reaction involving specialized phosphorus-containing molecules in the organisms.
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Hello friends! This is Doug Batchelor. How about an amazing fact? Bioluminescence is an amazing phenomenon in which a chemical reaction in living organisms produces light, without any appreciable heat. This cool light, usually green or blue, results from a chemical reaction involving specialized phosphorus-containing molecules in the organisms.

Bioluminescence is found in creatures ranging from the common fire fly and glow worms to some species of bacteria, algae and fungi. This built-in lighting system can also be found in many invertebrate animals, like squid, jelly fish, worms and crustaceans. In fact, in the dim mid-water or twilight region of the ocean that ranges between 200 and 1,000 yards deep, 90% of all animals, including shrimp, produce light.

This organic light is produced in some ways like the popular luminous glow sticks. When a glow stick is snapped, two chemicals mix, react and create a third substance that gives off light. Marine organisms do essentially the same thing within special organs, or cells. One substance, luciferin, is mixed with an enzyme, luciferase, and a new molecule is formed that gives off that glowing blue-green light.

Science has barely touched the surface when it comes to replicating this efficient light production that God has designed. Bio luminescence is used for a large variety of reasons. Some deep sea fish are equipped with fleshy organs that produce luminescence, to which prey is attracted and then gobbled up.

The flashes emitted by male and female fire flies are used as a species-specific signal for mating. It's also an obvious form of communication between species in such a dark environment and the light can be used to lure prey or repel predators. The sophisticated squid can control when the light is produced, and its color and intensity.

But most sea creatures, like the microscopic drifting algae, have simple light-producing systems that are stimulated by water movement. This is what causes the glow in the wake of a large ship passing through the ocean. During blackout conditions in war, more than one lost pilot has found his way back to the aircraft carrier by following the green glow behind the moving ship.

In like manner, only churches that are active and moving produce light to attract the lost. Stay with us friends. We're going to learn more as Amazing Facts brings you this edition of Bible Answers Live.


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You'll need that pencil to write down our resource number that we'll be giving because we have a number of free offers we make available every single night. Welcome to Bible Answers Live. My name is Doug Batchelor.

Pastor Dick: And my name is Dick Devitt. Good evening Pastor Doug.

Pastor Doug: Good evening Pastor Dick.

Pastor Dick: Welcome back.

Pastor Doug: Thank you. I was in Denver, had a good time this weekend with our friends there and just got back in this afternoon and excited about our program tonight.

Pastor Dick: I guess you dodged the snowstorm.

Pastor Doug: I hear. I would have been stuck if I had waited a little longer, but praise the Lord I made it back in time and glad we could be together tonight.

Pastor Dick: Amen. Well, we normally start with a word of prayer, so why don't we do that. Heavenly Father, once again, we come to You with thanksgiving, Lord, and with joy in our hearts for the privilege of being able to share the Word of God. And we pray for clarity of thought, for discernment, and we pray that Your Holy Spirit will calm Pastor Doug and give him clarity of thought, Lord, as he seeks to search Your Word and share with our callers tonight. We want to hear from You Lord. So speak clearly to us, is my prayer in Jesus' name, amen.

Pastor Doug: Amen

Pastor Dick: Well Pastor Doug, this is a fascinating amazing fact that you shared with us, but where are you going with this spiritually? What's on your mind here?

Pastor Doug: Well you know, one of the things I was thinking, Dick, when we learned about these two chemicals that God designed in creatures that mix to produce light. For one thing, it completely destroys the theory of evolution, because how could these animals ever slowly evolve the ability to produce light when it takes two separate, distinct chemicals?

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: The chances of that happening accidentally are just so astronomically absurd.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm, um-hmm

Pastor Doug: But I also thought that it was the combination of the two chemicals that creates the light, made me think about where James said--you know, some people say, "I've got faith" and other people say, "I've got works" and James says that, "Will you know," James chapter 2, verse 20, "O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

Some churches say we believe this and we believe that, but if we only believe and we don't live the life of Christ, then our light doesn't shine, and we need both. We need the faith and we need the action that demonstrates the faith. That's what attracts the lost. That's what gives the light.

Pastor Dick: Lots of people think, Pastor Doug, that you have to have the action first in order to gain the faith, that you do something for God, and then He blesses you with the faith. But that's backwards, isn't it?

Pastor Doug: Yes. First comes the faith, and because we believe, then we act. If people are working without the faith, then that's legalism.

Pastor Dick: Right

Pastor Doug: Someone explained it once. It is something like two oars. Anybody in their experience, or any church, that only talks about works or only talks about faith, it's like a rowboat with one oar that will go in a circle, and you need that balance. But the primary must be faith. The just will live by their faith.

James saw that you've got both possibilities, both extremes sometimes in the church. There are so many different religions and churches out there that people are just confused. You've got two extremes. You've got those who just talk about believe this and believe that, name it and claim it. Then you have the other ones that have a list of rules, and no faith, no relationship.

And people might want to know, "Well how do you find that true church that gives out the light?"

Pastor Dick: So often I hear people say, Pastor Doug, "It really doesn't matter what denomination you belong to, what church you belong to. There's just one God, there's just one faith, there's just...." You know, that's so confusing to people. Is there a true church today?

Pastor Doug: Well, obviously, there are good Christians in many different religious persuasions, but I think if the Lord looks down from heaven He would be able to say, "I see a church down there that is closer to the Word, or that is the closest to the Word." That's what we're all looking for.

People need to know how do we find that movement of God that is being the truest to His Word.

Pastor Dick: I think there's a search going on for that true church. I believe that there is today. I think more and more people are searching for truth. And we have an offer that we want to make available to our listeners tonight. It's a book written by Joe Crews and it's called, The Search for the True Church.

There's a lot of good history in here about why there are so many denominations.

Pastor Doug: You know, it's amazing when you consider the average reasons that a person picks a church, none of them are biblical reasons. If you take the top ten reasons--and there have been surveys by the Barner Group and others--people pick a church based on it's where their parents went - -

Pastor Dick: Right

Pastor Doug: - - it's close to the home - -

Pastor Dick: Right

Pastor Doug: - - they like the building they like the music program the people are friendly the preacher is good looking or charismatic. And you can go through the list and it's all nice things. We all like to have a church that had all that, but none of those are the reason to pick your church.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: You need to say, "What are the foundational teachings of that church? Are they the teachings of Jesus?" That's what makes it true.

Pastor Dick: This book will help you to identify, from the Bible, the foundational beliefs and teachings of God's true church for the end times. So want to make this available to anyone and everyone who will call our resource operators tonight. Please add this to your library. It's called, The Search for the True Church, 1-800-835-6747.

As Pastor Doug said a few minutes ago you'll want to write that number down because we make available lots of offers through this number. The resource operators are standing by. So call this number, 1-800-835-6747, and ask for, The Search for the True Church.

Pastor Doug: Amen

Pastor Dick: We take a couple of Internet questions each Sunday before we go to the phones. Pastor Doug, the first one is, "Did Jesus know that He was the Son of God? It is said that Jesus and God are One in the same, but who was Jesus praying to?"

Pastor Doug: Well, understanding when the Bible says "one," Moses said, "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one...." "One" biblically doesn't always mean numerical quantity. It sometimes means unity. A man leaves his father and mother and joins his wife, and they, two, become "one" flesh.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: Jesus prayed in John 17 that the apostles, 12 of them, would be "one" as He and the Father were one. So, God consists of the three Persons, God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit. We also have a book people can read online at our website on the Trinity. It's one of the cornerstone doctrines of the Christian faith and people may have questions on that.

But when Jesus was baptized, God the Son was here on earth. God became a man. That's that "Emmanuel" means, "God with us." God the Father was in heaven saying, "This is my beloved Son." God the Spirit came down in the form of a dove and there you have those three Entities.

Pastor Dick: Okay. Second question, "In the 12th chapter of Revelation, it appears that the child is born of the woman. My understanding today is that the woman represents the church. I've also been led to believe that the child represents Jesus Christ. If that is correct, then I'm confused about the meaning of this passage. Is it not Jesus who gave birth to the church?"

Pastor Doug: That's a good question. We included that, not because we have the answer. Actually, we included it because it's such a good question.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: In Revelation 12, it shows the woman giving birth to the church. And then the Bible tells us that, of course, Christ is the Creator of all things. The woman is giving birth to Christ and then Christ gives birth to the church.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: It's almost like the paradox that you find in the Garden of Eden where all women give birth to man, except the first woman was born of a man. The first woman came out of the womb of man. That was Eve of course. The church has been introducing Christ to the world. That especially happened, of course, 2,000 years ago in the first coming. At Pentecost, the church introduced Jesus as the Messiah.

But at the same time, Christ is the Groom of the church. You know, it's one of these interesting allegories where Jesus is in the temple, Jesus is everything. Jesus is the Door Jesus is the High Priest but yet, He's the Lamb. He's the Living Water in the laver. He's everything.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm, um-hmm

Pastor Doug: And so, don't take some of these analogies too far. They're all pointing to Christ.

Pastor Dick: Okay, very good. You ready to go to the phones?

Pastor Doug: I hope so. I hope I didn't confuse everybody.

Pastor Dick: [Chuckles] Well let's go to Lithonia, Georgia first. We'll start with Reggie who is listening to us online. Good evening Reggie.

Reggie: Good evening. How are you doing?

Pastor Doug: Good, thanks for your call.

Reggie: Can you hear me?

Pastor Doug: Yes, loud and clear.

Reggie: Okay, good. Thanks for taking my call and I sure appreciate your ministry. It's really doing wonders for me. I sure appreciate it. My question is, I've heard it's Ezekiel 9:1.

Pastor Doug: Yes

Reggie: I've heard it explained that the men that showed up were angels with destroying weapons, and they were told to start at the temple destroying all except for the people that have the mark in the forehead.

Pastor Doug: Right

Reggie: It was suggested that they were angels, but how, exactly, if you were to, how would you - -

Pastor Doug: How do you come to that conclusion?

Reggie: Yeah

Pastor Doug: Well when you go to Revelation chapter 7, and it talks about the 144,000. It says, "Hurt not," and this is verse 3. "Hurt not the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." This is an obvious parallel to Ezekiel, where they put a mark in the foreheads.

But here it says, "I saw an angel ascend from the east, having the seal of God." So here, angels are doing the sealing in Revelation chapter 7. We use the Bible to interpret the Bible. There are many times in the Bible where stories begin by calling angels men, and later we find out its an angel.

When the messengers came to Abraham, it starts out calling them men then later it says two angels came to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Reggie: Oh

Pastor Doug: It calls them men when they first come in. So that word "man" in the original Hebrew there can mean a person, an entity and we learn later, of course, it is an angel.

Reggie: Okay. Well the answer, I guess, wasn't in that portion and I wasn't - -

Pastor Doug: It is not in Ezekiel. When you get to Revelation 7, that's the additional clue we need.

Reggie: Okay, well I put the two together but I didn't know how I would explain that to somebody else. I had a second short one, if I could.

Pastor Doug: Real short?

Reggie: Real short.

Pastor Doug: Go ahead.

Reggie: Why don't people talk about the seven mountains around the Vatican City?

Pastor Doug: The seven hills of Rome?

Reggie: Yeah, well, yeah.

Pastor Doug: I do. I've got a video tape where I do a whole Bible study on that subject of Revelation 17 and I talk very specifically about the seven hills of Rome and what it says there about that woman as the great city that sits among those seven hills.

Reggie: Okay, well I just haven't heard that. Where is that?

Pastor Doug: You mean where's the Bible study? Or where do you find the seven hills?

Reggie: No, no, no, no. Your video.

Pastor Doug: Oh, you can go to the website and it's, I think, the video that we do on Babylon. We have the book. Here's a book I'll recommend. Matter of fact, I think we can send this to you for free if you'd like Reggie. Get Joe Crews' book. Request it at the Amazing Facts' website. It's called, The Beast, The Dragon and The Woman. Just make sure you're sitting down and you put on your belt before you read it.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm, amen

Reggie: [Chuckles] Well actually, I read that portion. I just hadn't read anything specific. It seems like people just don't talk about the--it's such a blatant fact.

Pastor Doug: Right. Now you promised a short question.

Reggie: Okay, alright.

Pastor Doug: We gotta go. Alright, thanks.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Reggie. To Newfoundland. Chad is listening on VOAR. Hello Chad.

Chad: Yes sir, how are you doing this evening?

Pastor Doug and Pastor Dick: Good

Chad: There in the book of Ephesians, the writings of the apostle Paul, our blessed brother, he mentioned there in Ephesians 4 and verses 18 and 19--what I don't seem to understand is in verse 18, he talks about "the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart."

Pastor Doug: Uh-huh

Chad: Exactly what was the apostle Paul talking there? Obviously, he wasn't talking about a physical blindness, but some other kind of a blindness he was talking about?

Pastor Doug: Well, of course, Jesus talks about spiritual blindness and He talked about the religious leaders, "If the blind lead the blind they'll both fall into the ditch." Jesus talked about the eye being single, and if your eye is single, your whole body will be full of light. And so it is definitely a spiritual darkness.

Chad: Um-hmm. Yes, because it goes on to verse 19 there, talking about, obviously, the lewdness of the world and the immorality.

Pastor Doug: Yes

Chad: You know, I find another thing, too, in the world today there's so much immorality, so much pornography, Internet pornography. And, you know, people, they're involved in this stuff obviously, our (unintelligible) religious organization. I find that, today, in many organizations they're not reproving as much. They're mostly condoning acts that are completely condemned in God's Word.

Pastor Doug: Well you know, I heard a very good, convicting presentation from Jim Dobson on his program dealing with some of those statistics and immorality, and it was actually very staggering to hear how rampant that has become, especially you eluded to the Internet. But there are still some ministries that are addressing the immorality.

Of course, Jesus said that as it was in the days of Sodom, Chad, that's how it's going to be when Jesus returns and we're at that point now where the bold and clamoring homosexual agenda is the same way now, I think, as it was back then. Anyway, I hope that helps a little bit Chad. We want to keep moving here. We're getting behind.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Chad. Let's go next to Belleville, New Jersey. Andrew is a first-time caller listening on the Internet. Welcome Andrew.

Andrew: Thank you very much Pastor Doug.

Pastor Dick: And your question please?

Andrew: My question is in Leviticus 11:18 and Deuteronomy 14:16, there's no reference to duck as being an unclean bird. There is a reference to swan as being unclean in the King James Version but several newer Bible translations, such as the American Standard Version and the Modern King James Version, changed swan to owl, with a note that the original translation was wrong. I've always been taught that duck was unclean, but I can't find any text which [tape cuts off]

Pastor Doug: Okay, good question.

Pastor Dick: We've just lost Andrew.

Pastor Doug: Must be the storm in the Midwest. But I did get the question so I want to answer that. Is duck, according to Leviticus, clean or unclean? Well if the word "swan" in the King James Version is accurate, then I would say that it would definitely be unclean because it's in the same category. A duck and a swan are in the same category of bird.

I'm trying to remember what that scientific classification is, but you can find that easy enough and they're the same. Beyond that, the birds that God classifies as clean are the foraging birds.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: Any of the other birds are excluded. The foraging birds would be your grouse, your pheasant, your pigeon, your quail, your turkey, your chicken. They go around, they scratch the ground, they eat the seeds. They are the foraging birds. They were the clean birds. Virtually, every other bird was unclean.

I just came back, of course, from Denver and there were ducks all over the place.

Pastor Dick: [Laughs]

Pastor Doug: They'll eat anything, they're scavengers. Of course, some chickens will eat anything too. But anyway, that's the way I understand it, and I know there are those who will disagree, and we can still be friends.

Pastor Dick: To Sun Valley, California, Pastor Doug. Joaquin is listening to us online. Welcome Joaquin.

Joaquin: How are you doing?

Pastor Doug: Good

Pastor Dick: Doing fine.

Pastor Doug: Your question?

Joaquin: My question is if it's wrong to drink alcohol? Is it wrong to drink caffeine?

Pastor Doug: Well, the principle is our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Joaquin: Right

Pastor Doug: I would not necessarily put alcohol and caffeine in the same category. The reason I say that is, I would rather be in a car with someone who had had a cup of coffee, than someone who had had a shot of whiskey, you know what I saying?

Joaquin: Right

Pastor Doug: There are a lot more people in families that are broken up where there's abuse from alcohol. You're looking at two extremes of the same principle.

Joaquin: Right

Pastor Doug: Anything that is addicting is something a Christian should be concerned about.

Pastor Dick: Right

Pastor Doug: Everyone knows about alcoholism, but is caffeine addicting?

Joaquin: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: Yeah, it is. So the scientific evidence for--well I'm trying to remember what the classification is--but caffeine, nicotine, many of these, strict nine actually, they all come from a similar classification of drugs that are harmful.

Now, there are certain medications, like, I think, Excedrin, regular Excedrin, has a little caffeine in it because there is some medicinal value in caffeine for a headache. So some of these drugs, if they're used as a drug, that's one thing. But when people are - -

Joaquin: Kind of like how NyQuil has alcohol, that would be okay to take?

Pastor Doug: Well, yeah, if you're doctor prescribed it [chuckles]. Yeah. But, you know, if you're taking it for the alcohol, you need to be concerned.

Joaquin: Right

Pastor Doug: You know what I'm saying?

Joaquin: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: So, yeah, anything that's addicting is not good for your body, okay?

Joaquin: Okay, alright. Thank you very much.

Pastor Doug: Alright, thanks.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Joaquin. Buena Park, California next. James is a caller. Welcome James.

James: Hi Pastor Doug Batchelor and Pastor Dick. How are you doing?

Pastor Doug: Good

James: That's good. I have a question. I know you struggled before with cigarettes, but I struggle a lot with cigarettes, - -

Pastor Doug: Okay

James: - - the nicotine, and I'm trying to quit and off and on for years, and I can't seem, uh - -

Pastor Doug: Still struggling?

James: - - nicotine, I want to find out how you quit, or if you can give me some kind of physical principles on how to maintain nicotine?

Pastor Doug: I will. I'll be happy to help you, James, as much as I can. First of all, you're right, it is a struggle. As I said to the previous caller, anything that's addicting, a Christian should be concerned about. Now, for one thing, do you believe God wants you to quit?

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: Okay. Of course, it says on every cigarette pack this stuff is bad for your health your body is God's temple, and then you ask, "Would I see Jesus lighting up a cigarette, wasting His money that way and blowing smoke?" Obviously not. So, will God help you do what He wants you to do?

James: That's right

Pastor Doug: So you agree that God wants you to quit. The next question is, will God help you do what He asks you to do?

James: That's right

Pastor Doug: Well that's the whole plan of salvation. We're powerless without His help.

James: That's right

Pastor Doug: Now don't be discouraged, because I quit several times before I got the victory over that.

James: Wow!

Pastor Doug: And so, as they say, "Don't quit quitting." But, I will pray with you right now, and anyone else who's listening that might be struggling with this, here's what I call the five-minute plan.

James: Five-minute plan.

Pastor Doug: If you want to quit?

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: You believe God wants you to quit?

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: You believe He will help you do what He wants you to do?

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: Then you take a step of faith. I'm going to have prayer with you.

James: Thank you.

Pastor Doug: Then if you have any cigarettes in your home, - -

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: - - destroy them. Don't just throw them in the garbage because they'll be calling you from the garbage can.

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: You've got to render them useless and I know that cost money, but you're better off doing that.

James: Okay

Pastor Doug: And then you say, "Lord, I thank You for breaking these chains."

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: And Jesus can break the chains just like they fell off Peter.

Pastor Dick: That's right

Pastor Doug: And that doesn't mean you'll never be tempted but then you follow Christ one moment at a time. Here James, think about this before we pray.

James: Yeah

Pastor Doug: If you were really struggling, and shaking, and nervous, and edgy, and irritable, and you needed to have a cigarette, and you - -

James: Yeah, I get like that. I get agitated a lot.

Pastor Doug: - - alright, well think about this. If you were with me and you're feeling that way, and you have to have a cigarette, and you're just about to light up a cigarette, if you turned to your left and you saw Jesus, would you be able to resist the temptation?

James: That's true

Pastor Doug: ...If you saw Him sitting next to you?

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: Or, if someone pulled out a gun, let me be graphic for a second, and put it at your chest and said, "Light the cigarette and I'm pulling the trigger," would you be able to resist the temptation?

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: Alright, because you'd be motivated.

James: Yes, that's right.

Pastor Doug: So you can do it. There's no question that you can do it. It's just, do you really want to?

James: That's right

Pastor Doug: So I'm going to pray and God will give you strength. Now what God does is, God will add His strength to your decision, because He doesn't force you.

James: Okay

Pastor Doug: I'm going to pray that He will set you free, okay?

James: Thank you

Pastor Doug: Let's pray right now. Father in heaven, we are thankful that we can come before You and ask for the strength. And especially in these occasions, where someone is seeking for deliverance from an addiction and all those others who might be listening that are struggling for deliverance from things such as alcohol, or cigarettes or drugs. Right now, I

pray that You will help them to cut those chains, to turn away and then set them free. Lord, bless them. Help them do what they can do humanly, and then I pray that You will supply Your divine, supernatural power to bring them to the shore. In Christ's name we pray, amen.

Pastor Dick and James: Amen

Pastor Doug: As soon as you take the first step, James, to do what God wants you to do, - -

James: Yes

Pastor Doug: - - the Bible says, "You draw near to God, and He will draw near to you." So you go find your cigarettes and you destroy them.

James: Okay

Pastor Doug: And He will help you.

James: Okay

Pastor Doug: Alright?

James: Thank you

Pastor Doug: God bless.

James: God bless you.

Pastor Doug: You know Pastor Dick, I always think of that story in the Bible where the ten lepers came to Jesus, and He said, "Go and make that offering for a cleansing from leprosy." The Bible says in going, they were cleansed.

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: As they began to do what Jesus told them to do, then they were cleansed.

Pastor Dick: That's the key.

Pastor Doug: That's how the victory comes.

Pastor Dick: That's how it comes.

Pastor Doug: This is one of the most important questions that we just had. There are so many out there, I'm convinced. I've got this theory--now hear me out friends--I believe God made everybody addicts.

Pastor Dick: Um m

Pastor Doug: What I mean by that is we were all created with this vacuum. If we are not addicted to God, we will be addicted to something else. We are either filled with the love and a longing for God, or we will fill that vacuum with everything from drugs to food we heard about the sexual addictions to spending addictions. We joke about being workaholics. There are all kinds of addictions.

Pastor Dick: Gambling, anything.

Pastor Doug: Gambling.

Pastor Dick: Anything that gives us a momentary pleasure is what we will fill it with.

Pastor Doug: Or what controls our thinking.

Pastor Dick: Right

Pastor Doug: One of the typical definitions of an addict is they're thinking through the day, "When is my next drink?" They budget their time they're dreaming of their next bowl of ice cream if it's a food addiction, or whatever it happens to be.

Pastor Dick: Right

Pastor Doug: And they live for their addiction. When we're addicted to God, we're always craving Him.

Pastor Dick: Amen

Pastor Doug: And that's what we all want. Friends, you just have to ask yourself, "What am I going to be addicted to?" You can choose to be addicted to your Creator and that's the only one that doesn't leave a hangover and it really satisfies. We're going to take a break here and come back with more Bible questions.

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You can watch our TV programs online. You can download free offers that we mention online, and much, much more. We'll be right back.


Pastor Doug: We're back. If you have just tuned in, you've found your way to Bible Answers Live. This is a live, international, interactive Bible study where we invite people to call in from around the country, or even on the Internet from around the world with their Bible questions. We do our best. It's a live program. We don't know who's going to call.

We do our best to provide answers from the Word of God. That's why the phone number is 1-800-GOD-SAYS. We want to know what the Bible says, 1-800-463-7297. My name is Doug Batchelor.

Pastor Dick: My name is Dick Devitt. I like that sound Pastor Doug, "international, interactive."

Pastor Doug: Yeah! Let's use that again [chuckles]

Pastor Dick: Yeah, let's use that again. Most folks don't realize that there is a major broadcast station out on the island of Guam in the middle of the Pacific. Every week we connect with them, and they broadcast out there in the middle of the Pacific to people.

Pastor Doug: That's right

Pastor Dick: That's wonderful!

Pastor Doug: And the program is rebroadcast on Three Angels Satellite Radio going around the country, as well as some other satellite programs.

Pastor Dick: International, interactive. That's great. It sounds great. Let's go to Lancaster, California. We want to talk with Ron who has a question about Mark chapter 7. Hello Ron, welcome to the program.

Ron: God is good Pastors.

Pastor Dick: Amen brother, praise God!

Pastor Doug: All the time.

Ron: Yes, amen. It's good to talk to you again. My question, I have a precious brother in the Lord that we kind of have a little--we try to reason from the Scriptures on a subject. He's a vegetarian.

Pastor Doug: Uh-huh

Ron: And I'm not quite a vegetarian. I try to stick to the Romans 14 and 1st Corinthians 8, as far as not making my brother stumble.

Pastor Doug: Right

Ron: I won't order In and Out Burger while I'm at his house or, you know, cook a big ham in front of him.

Pastor Doug: Well that's thoughtful.

Ron: Yeah. However, I try to reason with him from Scripture. I want to make sure that I'm interpreting the Scripture properly, okay?

Pastor Doug: Okay

Ron: It's in Mark 7. I know the entire parable where Jesus is talking about the tradition of not washing your hands before you eat.

Pastor Doug: Right

Ron: But what I try to do with my brother here is in verse 15 of Mark 7, this is Jesus talking here. He says, "There is nothing that enters the man from outside which can defile him," and I'm thinking that's spiritually defiling him, okay.

Pastor Doug: Uh-huh

Ron: "But the things which come out of him, these are things that defile a man." Then further down in verse 18 Jesus again says, "Are you so without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him Because it does not enter his heart, but his stomach, and is eliminated, this purifying all foods." So my question is, he seems to think if I decide to eat a sausage McMuffin or some clam chowder, you know, in moderation, that that can defile me spiritually. And I tell him, according to this passage, I don't think it's so. Can you help me with that?

Pastor Doug: Yeah, I'll do my best. First of all, there is no specific food that is mentioned in Mark chapter 7. The context of the conversation has nothing to do with dietary restrictions. It has to do with ceremonial washings.

And Jesus is saying, essentially when you look at it, it's really what happens in a person's heart that defiles him, because physical defilement is not what makes us lost. But if we consciously choose to defile our body temples, then we are spiritually defiled. Let me illustrate.

If you look in Daniel chapter 1, and I'm sure you know the story. You still there Ron?

Ron: Yeah

Pastor Doug: Daniel would not defile himself with the kings food, and God blessed him. Now suppose that, while Daniel is eating his vegetable stew that they ended up giving him there in Babylon, somebody dropped a piece of shrimp in there, which is technically unclean.

Ron: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: Would Daniel be defiled if he didn't know the shrimp was in there?

Ron: No

Pastor Doug: Alright, now there's the point, got that? It's the conscience. When we know what God's Word says there are going to be people in heaven that ate pork, even though the Bible says that it's unclean, because they don't know. You see what I'm getting at? When a person knows what God wants and they do not do it, that's when it becomes sin, that's when it's defiling.

For instance, can a person drinking alcohol, does that have a defiling influence when a person gets drunk?

Ron: Right

Pastor Doug: Okay, well Jesus said nothing without [outside] a man can defile because it goes in his stomach and it's eliminated. So obviously, He's not talking about you can eat and drink anything, because otherwise, why would God say do not eat and drink unless it's to His glory? If you can eat and drink anything, then you could get drunk and you could, you know, just live on Twinkies devil food cake [laughs]

Ron: Right. Well I'm not saying, Pastor, that I can eat anything. What I'm saying, according to Romans 14, in my conscience, if I ate a piece of sausage, the way I look at Romans 14 and interpret it is, I don't think, to me myself, that it's defiling me spiritually if I have a piece of ham here or there, in moderation. You can drink a little bit of wine in moderation.

Pastor Doug: You know what we're talking about, Mark chapter 7 is not really the issue. I think you and I agree, Jesus here is talking about a different subject. He doesn't ever mention any specific food. But the big question is, are you persuaded that the clean and the unclean laws still apply today?

Ron: That's a matter of interpretation.

Pastor Doug: Well, that is a matter of interpretation, but the question is how do you read God's Word?

Ron: I read it according to the New Testament that what we eat does not defile us, whether it's seafood, whether it's ham, pork. I mean, if you eat too much of that it could kill you and send you to an early grave.

Pastor Doug: Well let's talk about this for a minute because you're intriguing me here. Why do you think that God had a distinction between clean and unclean in the Old Testament?

Ron: In the Levitical law?

Pastor Doug: Well it dates back before that. It goes back to Noah, or even Adam and Eve.

Ron: Well I think He was basically giving laws for people to eat, as far as what foods were good for them, what foods weren't good for them.

Pastor Doug: Ah! Alright, let's park right there for a second.

Ron: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: Did those foods suddenly become good when Jesus came? I mean, is pork now healthy?

Ron: That's not what I'm saying. Maybe you're misunderstanding my point. What I'm saying is, I'm not saying I sit down and eat a big ham every day. I'm saying every once in awhile I'll have a sausage McMuffin, but does that defile me spiritually? I don't think it - -

Pastor Doug: Well, what's going to defile you spiritually, let me tell you what sin is. Sin is knowing to do good and not doing it - -

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Ron: Um-hm

Pastor Doug: - - sin is the transgression of God's law and then sin is anything that is not of faith. Those are the definitions.

Ron: Okay

Pastor Doug: And so if we're breaking one of those principles, it is defiling, see what I'm saying?

Ron: Uh-huh. Okay, well I....

Pastor Doug: So the question is, are you genuinely convinced that there is no harm in breaking the biblical laws regarding distinction between clean and unclean foods?

Ron: No, according to the New Testament and the new covenant, I don't think it's a problem according to Scripture. [Cross talk]

Pastor Doug: Well, I would respectfully disagree with your logic, that after Jesus died, suddenly these maggots and shrimp and everything became clean.

Ron: Oh no, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying in moderation, if I have one piece of shrimp - -

Pastor Doug: Well now where in the Bible does it say, "A little bit of pork is okay?" The moderation part I don't find anywhere.

Ron: Uh-huh. So when He says here, "Whatever," what does "whatever" mean? "Whatever enters a man," is that just [cross talk, unintelligible]

Pastor Doug: If you're going to interpret that way let's go across the board.

Ron: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: That means it's okay for drugs and alcohol?

Ron: I mean, alcohol wouldn't defile you if you had a little bit, a little sip of wine. It's when you overdo it.

Pastor Doug: Well, what goes in the mouth affects what comes out - -

Ron: Uh-huh

Pastor Doug: - - and when you drink alcohol, it always affects what comes out. Have you read our lesson Ron? We probably ought to tie it off, but I wanted to talk about this. Have you read our lesson that we have on the subject of health? Are you there?

Ron: No I haven't.

Pastor Doug: It's the Amazing Facts' study guide, You Wouldn't Do This. Do you have that?

Ron: I don't.

Pastor Doug: Can I send that to you for free?

Ron: Sure

Pastor Doug: I've got two. Matter of fact, you could ask for both if you want. One is called, Death in the Kitchen we've even got one you can read for free online called, Hogs and Other Hazards. There's a lot of information out there for Christians. Death in the Kitchen, and the other one is, What You Don't Know Will Hurt You. That would be a blessing.

Pastor Dick: Ron, I hope you'll call our resource operators, 1-800-835-6747, and ask for those lessons: Death in the Kitchen, You Wouldn't Do This, Hogs and Other Hazards. Ask for all three of those at 1-800-835-6747.

Pastor Doug: And you know probably Ron, one of the best Scriptures I could share with you there is in 1st Corinthians where it says that "our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, and whoever defiles that temple, him will God destroy." And that's in the New Testament.

Pastor Dick: That's a New Testament principle.

Pastor Doug: New Testament, yeah.

Pastor Dick: Right. Okay, let's move on to Burbank, California. Louis is a first-time caller. Welcome Louis.

Louis: Good evening Pastor Doug and Pastor Dick. How are you doing this evening?

Pastor Doug: Good

Louis: That's good, that's good. I have one quick question. I was doing your online study guide lesson and I really want to let you know those are really amazing to me right now, and they're really helping me out with my walk with the Lord.

Pastor Doug: Praise the Lord!

Louis: Yes. And I got on the one where it's talking about the end-time church. My question is that I was already baptized once. As I was reading through the study guide, it says that one needs to be baptized into the end-time church. Now, is my baptism that I already had void now and I need to be baptized into the new one, in regards to one that keeps the Sabbath and keeps all of God's commandments? Or is my baptism from prior still valid?

Pastor Doug: Well, it could be valid. The requirement for baptism, of course, if you've been baptized biblically by immersion, there will be a lot of people who might change churches or denominations. They don't necessarily have to be re-baptized but there is a Bible precedent for re-baptism and there are three reasons for that.

Now we have a book that Joe Crews wrote called, "Baptism: Is It Really Necessary?" and I think he addresses re-baptism in there. We'll send that to you if you'd like a copy Louis.

Louis: Oh I'd like that, thank you.

Pastor Doug: Incidentally, I was born in Burbank. That has nothing to do with your question. I just thought of that.

Pastor Dick and Louis: [Laughs]

Louis: That's quite alright.

Pastor Doug: The reason I mention that is because I was born in St. Joseph's hospital and my mother was Jewish. And someone told me that back then, the nuns used to baptize the Jewish babies to try and save them.

Louis: Yes

Pastor Doug: So who knows? I might have been baptized as a baby, but that doesn't count.

Louis: Yeah

Pastor Doug: Baptism must be, of course, by immersion you have to be an adult, making the decision and follow the criteria of repenting and accepting the teachings. But re-baptism is if you have divorced yourself from the Lord and backslidden - -

Louis: Okay

Pastor Doug: - - or if you were not baptized biblically you should be re-baptized biblically by immersion or, like in Acts chapter 19, these people were re-baptized because they came into a whole new understanding of the truth. They didn't know about the Holy Spirit, Paul re-baptized them.

I know a lot of people have been re-baptized and very few have regretted it when they take a stand for the truth. So, it's your decision.

Louis: Yeah. Listening to you just now--I think that some point that you touched on--because I was a young, young child when I was baptized. Basically, I can't say that I even knew what I was doing. So I think it would be better for me to be baptized, especially when you said about accepting a new truth because what I had before was now, totally - -

Pastor Doug: You've got a whole new beginning.

Louis: Yeah

Pastor Doug: Well you might want to seal that with re-baptism and I suggest you counsel with your pastor on that. But sounds like you'd get a blessing from it.

Louis: Yeah, thank you very much. I have one more small, quick question. You were touching on something earlier that I was also kind of researching on. A young gentleman called in about the caffeine. It's just a small question about caffeine products. Should we be trying to eradicate those out of our lives? Or something like chocolate, you know, that has caffeine in it, how should we deal with something like that?

Pastor Doug: Well like I said, I wouldn't put caffeine in the same category as alcohol, but let's face it, a lot of Americans are addicted to caffeine in tea, coffee, colas and a variety of sodas.

Louis: Um-hm

Pastor Doug: And it does tax our health. I've looked at how many grams of caffeine are in various products and, of course, the largest is going to be in coffee, and then you've got tea, and then you've got, I think they've got something called Jolt?

Pastor Dick: Um-hmm

Pastor Doug: Mountain Dew they've got very high concentrations of caffeine.

Louis: Yes [chuckles]

Pastor Doug: Chocolate would be at the opposite end of that scale. There is some caffeine in chocolate. It's pretty minimal. But I think the biggest danger with chocolate--it is addicting, no question. There are ten million women who will attest to that.

Louis: Yeah [laughs]

Pastor Doug: [Chuckles] I think the biggest danger is the carbohydrates and the sugar in chocolate.

Louis: Yeah

Pastor Dick: You know, I was going to say Louis, - -

Pastor Doug: But I had chocolate chip cookies today and I'm not ready to give them up!

Louis: [Laughs]

Pastor Doug: [Chuckles] and so, does that answer your question?

Louis: I hear you, I hear you, thank you.

Pastor Doug: I very rarely--I don't know the last time I've eaten a candy bar. I think the closest I've come is one of the mints at the Olive Garden. But, you know, if people have got a problem with it, the Lord will tell them.

Pastor Dick: There's a major issue going on now in a lot of the schools that have soft drink vending machines.

Louis: Yes

Pastor Dick: They're talking about taking the soft drinks out.

Louis: Yes

Pastor Dick: But they're talking about that in the context of obesity - -

Pastor Doug: The obesity in the kids.

Louis: Right

Pastor Dick: - - from the sugar, but one of these days, the issue of the caffeine in all of the sodas is going to come up too, because it affects their ability to study, to concentrate.

Louis: Yes, right

Pastor Doug: Well, you know about some Christian schools, they have soda machines and they won't carry any caffeinated sodas.

Pastor Dick: There you go.

Louis: I bet, yeah.

Pastor Doug: Because it affects the kids.

Pastor Dick: Yeah

Pastor Doug: Anyway, hope that helps a little bit, - -

Louis: It did. Thank you very much.

Pastor Doug: - - and like we said, we can do all things through Christ and our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Louis: That's right. God bless you Pastors.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Louis. To Baltimore, Maryland. Will is a repeat caller. Welcome Will.

Will: Yes, thank you very much for taking my call. I have a quick question, and that is regarding Bible study. How can I have an in-depth Bible study, where when I [call drops]

Pastor Doug: Press that button again, we lost him.

Pastor Dick: Just a second. Will, are you still there?

Will: Yes I am, hello? Can you hear me?

Pastor Dick: Yeah

Pastor Doug: How can you have an in-depth Bible study, keep going.

Will: - - when you're sitting with your friends, hello?

Pastor Doug: Yes

Pastor Dick: Start over again Will. I'm sorry, but we're having some problems with the phone.

Will: Okay, yes, because I now it's snowing over here so I think that's causing the problems as well. My question is how can we have--well how can I personally have a Bible study where I can really know the Bible, not reading the Bible through the year, but really studying the Bible?

Pastor Doug: Oh I'm glad you asked that question. It almost sounds like that we have to send you a check for doing it, because that's why we do this radio program. We try to channel people into the free Bible studies that we offer.

There is a free Amazing Facts' Bible study course, that if you will take this course, you will understand the Word of God very well, and it will be a thrill. It's like one of our callers tonight said they're doing it and it has changed their life. Just go online or you can call our number. We'll either send it to you for free, or you can do the study online. If you do it online, just type in If you want to do the phone number....

Pastor Dick: 1-800-835-6747.

Will: Okay

Pastor Dick: Will, if you call that number, 1-800-835-6747, or, we'll get you started in the Bible study course and it will change your life and you'll know how to study the Bible.

Will: Okay thank you, appreciate it.

Pastor Dick: Okay, great. Thanks for the call. To Denair, California. Greg is a first-time caller listening on KADV. Welcome Greg.

Greg: Yeah, hi. I'll try to make this quick. I'd like to ask my question and then just get off the phone so I can hear the answer. I guess talking about eating duck, and coffee and all that stuff tonight--and that's like there's five billion people on earth. And I've heard you say that God is going to separate everybody and there's going to be two parts, and one is going to be Satan's people and one is going to be God's people, and everybody is going to divide the one of the two groups. I'm just wondering how they figure out that line? I mean, it seems to me if somebody made one too many cups of coffee or he didn't repent for a sin done 12 years ago you know I mean, I love God and I'm reading the Bible, but I just don't know where the line is and how you make sure that you're pass that line?

Pastor Doug: Alright, that's a good question. I don't mind if you stay on for a moment Greg.

Greg: Okay

Pastor Doug: I don't know how often you've heard the program. We're not saying that anybody who has drank coffee, or eaten a pork chop, or smoked cigarettes, none of them can go to heaven. There are going to be people in heaven that did all those things and more.

Some of the people have called in with specific questions about what is the best thing for those who love the Lord. And there are guidelines in the Bible. But as far as there being a line drawn between two groups, that's what the Bible teaches. It's not my concept. Jesus said the day is coming when the goats are separated from the sheep, one on the right, one on the left.

One is saved, one is lost. In Revelation, in the last days, it says everybody will be polarized into two groups: one worships the beast and his image and the other has the seal of God. One is saved and one is lost. The distinction is, those who have totally surrendered their lives to Jesus, that love Him with all of their heart, mind, soul and strength, they're in the saved group. That's how you draw the line, that's the criteria.

Now once we do love the Lord, then people will be asking questions about how can I better serve Him? And then they get into some of the specifics we're talking about tonight. But if people are eating perfectly and they're not using any drugs, and they don't love the Lord, that's not going to save anybody. You hear what I'm saying?

Greg: Yeah

Pastor Doug: Ultimately, the bottom line is Jesus will say, "Do you know Me or do you not know Me? Do you love Me?" That's what He said to Peter three times, "Do you love Me?" And then Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." First we must love Him.

Pastor Dick: Amen

Pastor Doug: Okay?

Greg: Okay, thank you.

Pastor Doug: Alright, God bless.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Greg. That's a good call, good question Pastor Doug. Let's go to Orlando, Florida. Elizabeth is a first-time caller on WTLN. Hi Elizabeth.

Elizabeth: Hello

Pastor Dick: And your question please?

Elizabeth: Pastor Doug, it has to do with the Holy Spirit. I understand that, well, people will say they got saved by the Spirit. They go up for prayer, and somebody would touch them on the forehead and they'd pass out and say they got saved, even before they even said what their prayer request was. Then they'd say, "I was healed because I got saved by the Spirit." You know, I've seen people just stand there and somebody just come up to them and start praying, and they'll just pass out, and then there's always somebody catching them and they're laying down and - -

Pastor Doug: Right. Now what are you wondering? Is that how people are saved?

Elizabeth: Well, it's not a matter of saved. I just think people use it as an excuse and sometimes people are praying in tongues and, you know, you don't hear the prayer as up to God. I mean, you know, is it okay? Is it of the Spirit of the Lord to be just kind of praying up in tongues, if they say, "Father God," and then they start in tongues? I don't want to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit in any way. I just want to understand.

Pastor Doug: It's a good question and I'm glad you asked that. We haven't had it for awhile Elizabeth. I believe in all the gifts of the Spirit, including tongues, and it's not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit to question what is true. Some people make it sound like, "If you dare to question what people are doing called 'tongues' you're blaspheming the Holy Spirit," and they scare folks.

A lot of what's being called the gift of tongues today is not the biblical gift of tongues. It's a counterfeit. I believe in the real thing, but when people just start babbling, they don't know what they're saying, no one around them knows what they're saying. You don't see that in the Bible.

Elizabeth: Right

Pastor Doug: In Acts chapter 2 when they spoke in tongues the people understood that they were speaking in languages and they were sharing the Gospel.

Elizabeth: Right

Pastor Doug: I've written a book on this I'll send you for free Elizabeth.

Elizabeth: Uh-huh

Pastor Doug: Would you like it?

Elizabeth: Oh yeah, because I'd really like to understand. I've seen it so much and I'm sitting and thinking to myself, "Why are they doing this?" They start saying something and then they would just pass out, and then get up and say that the Spirit touched me.

Pastor Doug: Yeah. You look in the Bible and you do not see Jesus saving people by people dropping right and left. The Holy Spirit changes the hearts and these people flopping and falling everywhere, the Holy Spirit doesn't rob us of our dignity when He fills us. The book, if you'd like to get a free copy Elizabeth, is called, Captured by Tongues, and it's written by yours truly.

Captured by Tongues, call the number and tell them you're listening to Amazing Facts. They'll send it to you.

Pastor Dick: That number, Elizabeth, 1-800-835-6747, and ask for, Captured by Tongues, and they'll send it out to you tonight. Thanks for the call Elizabeth. Let's go to Humacao, Puerto Rico. Alan is a first-time caller. Welcome Alan.

Alan: Hello, good evening

Pastor Doug: Good evening

Alan: I had a question. I was told that--well I was being taught by a certain church--and they were telling me about the original church that Christ had built, there was an apostasy. And about the, let me think, the priesthood being passed down, that it had an Aaronic - -

Pastor Doug: The Aaronic priesthood.

Alan: Right, the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthood - -

Pastor Doug: Right

Alan: - - had been stopped through uh, Peter was the last one that had it. And I was wondering with all these churches, what order of priesthood do they have? How was it passed down?

Pastor Doug: That's a good question, and it is a subject that is misunderstood and mistaught. At the time of Christ there was a select group of people, the Levites, who were the priests. After the death of Jesus, he said that we, then, all believers become part of that priesthood. We become a nation of priests.

That doesn't mean everybody is a pastor of a church. But the priesthood, where we are all making atonement for the lost by bringing them to Christ, that is on every believer. It says, "Now we are a holy nation, a royal priesthood." So the idea that there is a select group within the church that is passing on this order of priesthood, you don't find that being taught anywhere in the New Testament from the time of Christ's death, okay, Alan?

Alan: Okay, thank you

Pastor Doug: Alright, God bless.

Pastor Dick: Alright Allen. Thanks for the call. Good question. Let's go next to Tappahannock, Virginia. Kevin is a first-time caller. Welcome Kevin.

Kevin: Yes, thank you. I really appreciate your ministry that you gentlemen have together here.

Pastor Doug: Thank you

Kevin: Yes indeed. And my question was in regards to John chapter 21, where Jesus had actually appeared to His disciples and they were out on the sea fishing.

Pastor Doug: Yes

Kevin: They did not catch any fish and Christ had told them to cast their net on the right side of the ship. My question is in regards to the number of fishes that they had actually caught. I was wondering if there was any significance to that number, 153 fish?

Pastor Doug: You know, I believe there is. I'm not sure I know what that is. All of the numbers in the Bible have some significance and I've had people ask this question before. One of our mathematicians emailed me something where several of the primary that are used in the Bible added up to that number and it represented the lost being saved.

I can't remember how he did it now, so I'm sort of dancing around. But I do believe the number has a significance. I don't remember what that was. I think they may have added up everything from the - -

Pastor Dick: Three to seven to - -

Pastor Doug: Three to twelve to forty to seven, the numbers in the Bible, and somehow they came up with this number. But it was interesting. It was just on an elaborate piece of paper, but I believe it represents the lost because they're all in a net, and in the net represents the saved. Hope that helps a little Kevin.

Kevin: Yeah, thanks

Pastor Doug: Okay, God bless.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Kevin. We really appreciate it. Pastor Doug, I think we're going to run out of time if we try to take another call.

Pastor Doug: Let's see what we can do.

Pastor Dick: You want to try and see what we can do?

Pastor Doug: Real quick.

Pastor Dick: Okay. Let's go to George in Stratford, Connecticut. George, we have less than two minutes. What can we do?

George: Yeah, I'll take it off here. I just wanted to know a quick question. Thank you very much for taking this call. You guys have been a blessing. About the third of the fallen angels, can I just find out would you know where in the Bible that shows? And do angels have a free will? If you don't get to all of this, I can call next week too. I just wanted to ask.

Pastor Doug: Well I'll do my best. Angels have a free will, and it tells about the third of the angels in Revelation chapter 12. It tells us that one-third of the stars were cast to the earth with Satan. We believe those stars were angels, because then it says, "Satan and his angels were cast to the earth." That's Revelation 12:9.

So, that's where we get the number for "one-third." It says "one-third of the stars and then later it tells us they were his angels. Did they have a free will? I believe they did. That's why they chose to follow him instead the Father, two-thirds remain loyal. But, good thing for us, "Greater is He that is in us, than he that is in the world."

Pastor Dick: Amen

Pastor Doug: We're on the winning team friends. We have enjoyed your participation tonight friends. We trust that you've learned something new from the Word of God. If you have been blessed and edified by this program, we'd love to hear from you otherwise it becomes a one-way relationship.

Drop us a line. You can even email us. And if you want to do something to help us stay on the station you're listening to, we are entirely faith-supported. I hope the Holy Spirit is moving on some of your hearts to keep us going. The reason we do this is because we want you to know Jesus. It's not all about the details. It's the Person of Christ, the Truth that sets us free.


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