Keep Looking Up

Date: 08/17/2003 
The earth, is about to have a close encounter with the planet Mars. Never again in your lifetimes will the red planet be so close to our world, and a view spectacular.
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Hello friends, this is Doug Batchelor. How about an amazing fact? The earth, is about to have a close encounter with the planet Mars. Never again in your lifetimes will the red planet be so close to our world, and a view spectacular. This month, and next; the earth is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will result in the closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is 2287. Due to the way Jupiter’s gravity has an effect on Mars and perturbs its’ orbit astronomers can only be certain that Mars has not come this close to the earth in the last 5000 years or more.

The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to within 34 million, six hundred and forty-nine thousand and five hundred and eighty-nine miles it will be; next to the moon, the brightest object in the night sky. And with a moderately sized telescope or good binoculars, Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. By the end of August when the two planets are closest; Mars will rise at nightfall, and reach its’ highest point in the sky at about 12:30 midnight and very convenient when it comes to seeing something that no human has seen in recorded history.

So start looking up friends, and see Mars grow progressively brighter and brighter, and it is kind of exciting to know that you can see something that no one else alive today will ever see again. Jesus said that there is going to be a favored generation living at the end of time that will be privileged to look up and see His return. Stay with us friends, we are going to learn more as “Amazing Facts” brings you this edition of “Bible Answers Live”.


Pastor Doug: Welcome once again friends, and if this is your first time tuning into the program, you can probably gather from the program that this is a live, interactive Bible call-in program. If you would like to call with any Bible related question, we have a couple of lines that are open. Pick up your phone, and simply call 1-800-GOD-SAYS, and it is a toll free call. That translates into 1-800-463-7297, and my name is Doug Batchelor.

Pastor Dick: My name is Dick Devitt. And now is the time to call, we still have a line or two open. If you have a Bible related question, as Pastor Doug said, call us now and we will do our best to get you on the air in the next fifty-five minutes. Pastor Doug, let’s pray together as we usually do. Father in heaven, we thank You, and we praise You for Your love and Your grace and Your mercy. And we thank You for the privilege that You give to us of using the airwaves to open the Bible, and search deeply for the truth. Lord will You please speak clearly to Pastor Doug tonight, and help as we seek to answer Bible related questions. May we draw closer to You; may You draw closer to us. And may we know that we are in a saving relationship with You. In Jesus name, Amen.

Pastor Doug: Amen.

Pastor Dick: Pastor Doug, I was up in the gold rush country of Northern California here this weekend. And driving home last night about 10:30 p.m., just with the naked eye, and without even a pair of binoculars Mars is spectacular.

Pastor Doug: Hmm.

Pastor Dick: I stopped along the road for just a few minutes just to think, that nobody alive will ever see, what we are seeing, just like you said a few minutes ago.

Pastor Doug: Wouldn’t it be a shame to be living in the world today, and to have this period of two months in the world today, and see the brightest image of Mars that has been seen in recorded history, and to neglect it.

Pastor Dick: And never think about it. Just neglect.

Pastor Doug: Yeah.

Pastor Dick: And well, I was just going to say, and yet that seems to be the nature of the human nature these days isn’t it? We just neglect things that are important.

Pastor Doug: We are so focused on what is happening on the horizontal, we forget the vertical.

Pastor Dick: Yes.

Pastor Doug: Now Jesus, He gave us a warning. He said that in the last days there will be a lot of signs that will indicate the nearness of His coming. And He said, “When you see these things begin to happen, lift up your heads, for your redemption draws nigh.” And we have been surrounded with signs of Christ’s return, and many people are not looking up, and we are the generation I believe, that has the privilege of being alive when the Lord returns, and there is such apathy about this.

Pastor Dick: One of my favorite broadcasters of all time, was a man called H.M.S. Richards. And that was one of his favorite phrases “Keep looking up.”

Pastor Doug: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Dick: And we need to remember that, don’t we, because we are told that it is just going to be a little speck in the Eastern sky, and then all of a sudden.

Pastor Doug: And then all of a sudden Jesus is drawing closer. It will be a lot more spectacular than Mars.

Pastor Dick: Oh my.

Pastor Doug: Now some people might want to know, what some of the signs are. What evidence is there that Jesus gives, so we can know when He is coming? And now, no man knows the day or the hour, but He says there are signs, so we can know when it is near and lift up our heads; so to speak.

Pastor Dick: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: And we have a special offer tonight, and why don’t you tell us about that?

Pastor Dick: Well, Pastor Doug it fits with your amazing fact, tonight and it is called “It is Headed Straight Toward You, and You Can’t Outrun It.” “It is Headed Straight Toward you” is one of the 27 Bible study lessons that “Amazing Facts “has put together. And we want to make it available to anyone who will call our resource operators tonight at, 1-800-835-6747; 1-800-835-6747, that number is a toll free call. And our operators are standing by. “It is Headed Straight Toward You” talks about all of the signs of the second coming of Jesus Christ. Is it near? Get this study plan and I think you can draw your own conclusions from “It is Headed Straight Toward You. 1-800-835-6747. Pastor Doug we normally take a couple of internet questions before we go to the phones so let’s do that. I think we have a couple of great questions tonight, and some things we haven’t talked about recently. Our first question is, basically, is it wise for a Christian to seek medical treatment from a doctor, who has no faith, or belief in Jesus Christ?

Pastor Doug: Well, it is always reassuring; if you are a Christian to be in the hands of a doctor who is not only trusting his practice, but also trusting that Divine hands will guide, and bless, and heal. But you know, if I had to choose between having a Christian without training operate on my brain, and a pagan with training, I would think it would be practical to have someone who has had the training. You know every day we are interacting with people who are sharing their skills with us; whether they are believers or unbelievers, and we don’t go to them only because they are believers. You would become very narrow with your interaction with society, and business, and your fellow man; if you only buy, and sell, and interact, and get services from a Christian who changes your oil, and a Christian who does other things like that. In the same way it is a little more sensitive when you go to somebody who has been trained in the arts of healing. You would want to know they are well trained, and it would be great if they are a Christian.

Pastor Dick: Absolutely.

Pastor Doug: And I think of course that Christ tells us that.

Pastor Dick: And of course, most people when they go to Physicians; always it is a good idea to get a second opinion if you have problems.

Pastor Doug: Yes, absolutely. And I have been to some Physicians that prayed with me for a procedure, and I tell you that inspires you.

Pastor Dick: It does make a difference. Alright, the second question. What is the difference between our conscience, and the Holy Spirit?

Pastor Doug: That’s a good question because some people easily confuse their feelings, and their desires with the Holy Spirit.

Pastor Dick: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: And others can confuse a conscience; that is being plagued by the devil with the Holy Spirit. Some people feel guilty about some things they shouldn’t feel guilty about, because the devil is messing with their conscience. They say,” Well, I better follow this because; it is my conscience that tells me to do this or to do that. I have also met people who confused their desires for their conscience.

Pastor Dick: Umm-hmm, umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: You as a Pastor, has probably met people in the same scenario. I met a man who was married, and he was leaving his wife and children, and running off with somebody else; and he says well you know the Lord just tells me we’re supposed to be together. Laughing.

Pastor Dick: Chuckles.

Pastor Doug: Well, I mean you know you have probably run into that? It is like they can convince themselves of anything. So the conscience is not always a safe guide. But the Holy Spirit often does speak through, and to our conscience. The Bible says in 1st Kings that, it’s that still same voice that Elijah heard. And Isaiah says you’ll hear a voice behind thee. When we become acquainted with the Lord, and we can recognize, and we can distinguish between the voice of God speaking. Or our own conscience that has been influenced by something that may not be appropriate.

Pastor Dick: Right, right.

Pastor Doug: But, here is an example 1 John 3: 20 says about the conscience; “For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.” (KJV) Sometimes the devil will try to make a person feel bad, when guilt has been forgiven. “Beloved, if our heart condemns us not, then have we confidence toward God.” (KJV)

Pastor Dick: If our conscience has been seared by some pain, and by some grief or something in our lives; then often times we can be misled by trusting our conscience.

Pastor Doug: That’s right. Our conscience can be neutralized by repeating a certain behavior. Or initially, a person will sometimes do something they know is wrong, and very time they do it their conscience gets a little quieter; where it just doesn’t bother them anymore.

Pastor Dick: Right.

Pastor Doug: And they are basically getting a callous on their conscience, which is very dangerous.

Pastor Dick: Okay, very good. Well, I think we’ll go to the phones now.

Pastor Doug: Well, I’m ready. Well let’s see I think I am ready; we’ll find out.

Pastor Dick: Now let’s go first to Jersey City, New Jersey Delores, is our first caller this evening on WMCA welcome Delores.

Delores: Goodnight to you Pastors.

Pastor Doug: Good evening.

Delores: My question is: Are we now in the tribulation period?

Pastor Doug: Well, I don’t believe… there are times of trouble that people who through history, and in the apostle’s time of trouble during the dark ages, Christians had to flee underground, and the woman fled into the wilderness, that was a time of trouble. But the great tribulation that is spoken of in Revelation, and in Daniel that is usually synonymous Delores with the seven last plagues. No the seven last plagues have not begun yet, because they will be so striking that there will be no question about that at the time. Okay?

Delores: Okay, thank you.

Pastor Doug: Now when you think about the seven last plagues it talks about a noisome sore on those that worship the beast, the water turning to blood and you know everything going dark. Even some people have wondered about the blackout in New York if that was one of the fulfillments of this world going dark. But, I don’t think so.

Delores: Could I ask another quick question?

Pastor Doug: Yes, go ahead; yes.

Delores: Okay. Did the Lord die just for the elect?

Pastor Doug: No, the Bible tells us; that Jesus suffered for the sins of the world, so it wasn’t just for those who accept Him. He has provided forgiveness for whosoever will, and in order for Him to do that; He had to pay the ticket for everybody. And so Christ has paid the price for the sins of all, and not just for those who will believe.

Delores: Okay, thank you.

Pastor Doug: Alright. Thank you for calling in.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Delores. God bless and let’s go to Fayetteville, Arkansas. Jesse is listening on KURM welcome Jesse.

Jesse: Yes, good evening Pastor Doug and Pastor Dick.

Pastor Doug: Evening, and your question tonight?

Jesse: Yes. My question tonight is on Daniel Chapter 12:11 and 12. I don’t understand the time prophecies given there of the 1335 days, and the 1290 days?

Pastor Doug: Yes.

Jesse: I was wondering, where in the Bible it actually interprets those verses for me.

Pastor Doug: In Daniel 12; for our friends who are listening now we’re stepping into, not the milk but the meat of the word. The Chapter 12 of Daniel, has more time prophecies than any other chapter of the Bible. You have three time prophecies that are connected, and they are all related to the end evidently. Because Daniel Chapter 12 begins with Michael standing up, and a great time of trouble. And it speaks of the resurrection, and Chapter 12 closes talking about Daniel being raised at the end of the days. Now, there are three time periods that are given, and there are two ways that Daniel 12 is viewed. One is the historic view of these prophecies, that talks about the battle between God’s people, and their persecutors. And then there is the last day more literal interpretation of this prophecy. I believe and now this is Pastor Doug’s personal belief.

Jesse: I respect that.

Pastor Doug: You probably won’t see this in writing anywhere. The difference between the 1290, and the 1335 days is 45 days.

Jesse: Okay.

Pastor Doug: I believe the 45-day period is the plagues, and I believe that at the end of the 1335 period is talking about the evidence of Christ’s coming there. Because it says; that at the end of the days that Daniel will stand in his lot. Well, that is, you know, the resurrection.

Jesse: Okay.

Pastor Doug: So the reason I think the plagues will last about 45 days is because, when you look at the plagues that fell on Egypt in the days of Israel; you start to add it up. And one plague came right after the other, and it all happened within two months.

Jesse: Yes, and in Revelation, it says it comes within a day it doesn’t say it is going to take a day, a prophetic year.

Pastor Doug: Well within one year it all happens, and it doesn’t mean it takes a year.

Jesse: Right, right.

Pastor Doug: It falls within one year, it all happens. It doesn’t say it takes one year.

Jesse: Yes.

Pastor Doug: And then again, if you go to Revelation 18; when it talks about the fall of Babylon which takes place during the plagues. Three times it will say it will take place in one hour, in one hour, and in one hour.

Jesse: And that is fifteen prophetic days.

Pastor Doug: Yes, a day equals a year in prophecy, and there are 360 days in a Jewish year. Then 1/24th or 1 hour would be fifteen days. And three times fifteen is 45; so you have got a period of time of 45 days in Revelation during the plagues falling. Then you’ve got a period of 45 days in Daniel, and so I think it is pointing to the length of time. And think about it for a second Jesse if you will; it would really be unusual if the world could go longer than that. When you have got men being scorched with great heat, and oceans turning to blood, and how could the world even last a year?

Jesse: Right, yeah, right.

Pastor Doug: And the suffering of Job, I mean, look at what happened to Job. And it all came within a matter of just a month or so. So it was quick succession.

Jesse: Right, right. I think that sounds good, and God bless.

Pastor Doug: I hope it helps, and I might be wrong, but that is the way it fits for me.

Jesse; It is okay, thank you. Bye-bye.

Pastor Doug: Alright.

Pastor Dick: Thanks Jesse for the call. To Dallas, Texas where Richard is listening on KFKL hello Richard.

Richard: Good evening.

Pastor Doug: Hi.

Pastor Dick: And your question, please?

Richard: Yes, I discovered a new code here. I am not sure how to say this. MICHTAM, it’s a sub-title over Psalm 16 and Psalm 56. And I looked up the definition of that; and how does that title here make that Psalm different than Psalm 15 of the Psalm a song of David, and 17 a prayer of David?

Pastor Doug: Well, I will tell you, let me look here. I have got my computer, and I am using this quick verse Bible program. I am going to search and the word there “MICHTAM;” or in Hebrew it is pronounced Mick tam and it means an engraving; a poem. So most of them evidently were songs, and this one here was… or is probably a poem, and may never have been put to music.

Richard: Hmm.

Pastor Doug: A poem of David. Okay.

Richard: Oh, I see.

Pastor Doug: I am looking right into the original Hebrew, and that is what it says that it means.

Richard: Well, thanks for the information. Jay Vernon McGee was the easiest to understand on that, and he was teaching about my favorite book of the Bible.

Pastor Doug: Yeah, he is a good preacher though.

Richard: I listen to him as much as possible though.

Pastor Doug: Well, I hope that helps a little bit, and thank you so much for your call, thank you very much Richard.

Pastor Dick: To Lancaster, California’ Hugh is listening on 3ABN, welcome Hugh.

Hugh: Oh thank you very much for taking my call. My question is about what the Bible says about women Elders, or Ministers in the church.

Pastor Doug: Well, you… first I want to always clarify, because there are a couple of extremes on this view. One group within the Christian church believes that once Jesus died, that there is neither male nor female. And they interpret that to mean; that there is no distinction between male and female, and their service for God. The other group believes that; only men should speak in church, and only men should talk about God. And women should never say anything that a man can learn. And these are two extremes in my opinion. I believe there are many examples in the Bible of women ministering. But, I do not find an example in the Bible of a woman being ordained as a Pastor, or Apostle, or Priest. And Elders and Pastors and Bishops that is the same thing, they are all interchangeable terms.

Hugh: Right.

Pastor Doug: This was in the Old and New Testaments; they were just the leaders in the church. So I hope that explains it a little bit. You know you could have a woman who could be a prophetess.

Hugh: Right.

Pastor Doug: And that is a pretty high calling. Miriam was a prophetess. Her brothers were both Priests and Prophets, but she was not a Priest. So there is a difference in the woman serving in the capacity of the Priest. Because the Priest was the role of the man who is the head of the family. Okay?

Hugh: Right. That was what I was going by, but it was just a question that came up recently.

Pastor Doug: Well, it is definitely not a politically correct view these days.


Pastor Doug: But, I have to stick with the Bible, and I always ask my opponents on this; to please produce a single Scripture where Christ, or the Bible ordains a woman as a Pastor, Elder, Apostle, and of course they always say, well that was the tradition at the time. And I respectively disagree with that, because Christ did not capitulate to the traditions, and that is why He was killed. But, He chose men as His apostles, yet women followed Him, and ministered, and they were part of His disciple, but they were not apostles. And so I think there is a difference.

Hugh: Amen and thank you very much Pastor.

Pastor Doug: Okay thank you.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call. We’ll go next to Jersey City, New Jersey. George is listening on, WMCA welcome George.

George: Hello, my question is.

Pastor Doug: Get real close to your phone George.

George: My question is why do we have different races, and yet we all are created in the image of God’s likeness?

Pastor Doug: Restate that. I am not sure what you are asking?

George: Why do we have different races today?

Pastor Doug: Why do we have different races, and the Bible says we are all made in the image of God?

George: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: Well, we are all made in the image of God, and the differences in the races… I mean all men have got minds, and eyes, and hands, and mouths. And we can communicate and it doesn’t matter what the race is and we can all learn, depending on where you are raised to speak any language. You cannot interbreed cats and dogs, but all men can get married, and have healthy children from all different races. As a matter of fact, they say that children that are of mingled races, often have genetic vitality. But, that doesn’t mean we are not made in the image of God. Even within one race, you can have big differences. You can look at some of the Caucasian people that live in the Caucasus Mountains, and I have been up there in Russia. That’s where Caucasian comes from, and they have got very fair skin, sky blue eyes, light hair. And then you can find Caucasian people that live in Spain that look very different, but technically the same race, but you know in the same image.

George: Why are there these differences?

Pastor Doug: Where do the differences come from?

George: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: I am going to answer your question with a question. Well, maybe not exactly a question; maybe a statement. And forgive the comparison, but there are hundreds of different breeds of dogs in the world today. Noah didn’t take hundreds of different breeds of dogs on the Ark. Noah did not take a Dachshund, and a Chihuahua, and Great Dane, and a Siberian husky. He wouldn’t have had room, to take each breed on the Ark. But all of those breeds that we have in the world today, came from the two dogs that Noah put on the Ark. That means; that within their genes was the potential for all that diversity. Within the genes of Adam and Eve, and Noah was potential for all the diversity of races that you see in the world today. Some of it was environmental, some of it no doubt was just by them being isolated, that the different characteristics became dominant. Okay.

George: Yeah. Okay.

Pastor Doug: Hope that helps, thanks a lot George.

Pastor Dick: George, thanks for the call. To York, Pennsylvania, Brian on WMCA hello, and welcome Brian.

Brian: Hi, how are you doing?

Pastor Doug: Very good, and your question?

Brian: Yes, my question is about the sixty-nine weeks of Daniel. Does that bring us to Christ? When He was thirty years old right?

Pastor Doug: Yes, when Jesus began His ministry; it says in Luke, He was thirty when He was baptized. And the sixty-nine weeks in Daniel reach to His baptism, and that was 27 A.D.

Brian: Okay. Now then, after that verse, it says, and then three score and two weeks Messiah was cut off. Now I don’t understand if He came in 69 weeks how can He be cut off in 62 weeks?

Pastor Doug: Well, this is a common misunderstanding that people have when reading the Bible. It is of course because much of the Bible is written in Hebrew, and Aramaic. The Jews wrote like a newspaper, they would start with the headlines and then they would back up, and then they would give the details. First, it talks about the 70 weeks, and then it backs up in this prophecy, it explains 69 weeks, then it backs up into the 62 weeks, and it says that the first 62 weeks after the first 62 weeks the Messiah is cut off. Now keep in mind in Daniel Chapter 9 when it first gives this prophecy; it says that the 490 years are divided into 3 parts. There is 7 weeks, and 49 years that is when they rebuilt the temple and the wall in Jerusalem and then 62 weeks. Okay?

Brian: Yeah.

Pastor Doug: So you have 7 and 62 and 69, and it says after the 62 weeks, the Messiah is cut off. Well, that’s what happened, Jesus is cut off after the second section of 62 weeks, which was in the last week. And then it tells you where in that last week He is cut off, in the midst of the week. See now what is half of seven?

Brian: 3 and 1/2.

Pastor Doug: Jesus ministered 3 and ½ years. He died on the cross, the veil in the temple was ripped. And it said in Daniel 9, He would cause the sacrifice to cease. And the temple has been destroyed, and the Jews do not sacrifice because of Christ.

Brian: Okay.

Pastor Doug: So it was after the three score and two weeks that the Messiah was cut off.

Brian: Now the other part of the prophecy the other 3 and ½ years rather I know you guys say that this was when-

Pastor Doug: Stephen was stoned.

Brian: Yes, now could that have actually been, when the sheet came down?

Pastor Doug: You know you are not far off, but you have put them together. Follow this: If 70 weeks is cut off for the Jewish people, that means that the Jews had proclaimed the Messiah, and now the gospel goes to the Gentiles. Right after Stephen is stoned it says, the disciples went everywhere preaching, and it is right after that Peter has his vision, and he goes to a Gentile.

Brain: Okay.

Pastor Doug: So it is all happening within there.

Brian: And wasn’t it soon after that Paul said.

Pastor Doug: Paul was converted, in Chapter 9 he was converted, and goes to the Gentiles.

Brian: Yeah, he got mad at the Jews, and basically he said well you guys aren’t worthy anymore. So we are going to go to the Gentiles. That happened--

Pastor Doug: Well yeah all of that happened in quick succession after the stoning of Stephen. But the stoning of Stephen is the benchmark because you have got the Sanhedrin, which is the Jewish Supreme Court back then; officially plugging their ears, and killing the messenger, who gives them the final message about Jesus as a Nation. So the highest body of the nation plugged their ears, and that is when their time ended in 34 A.D. Okay? Hey, I probably need to keep going. Did we lose our caller?

Pastor Dick: Yeah, we did.

Pastor Doug: I apologize. That was not intentional, sometimes our phones do strange things, so it must be that New York blackout. Let’s blame it on El Nino.

Pastor Dick: Our engineer has just given us a sign that we would do an injustice if we try to take another call. Because we are about to take our halfway break. So I think we will wait until we come back from our break to take our next caller.

Pastor Doug: Alright friends, if you are listening don’t get discouraged. Because sometimes when we say break, they think that means the program is over. Hang on the phone, and a couple of lines I can see are still open if you want to call through, if you missed the first time around. Press redial, and while you are waiting let us remind you to check out the “Amazing Facts” website. We have archives there, that has hundreds of the Bible questions, and we are adding to it all the time. Hundreds of the Bible questions that are the most common, and we’ve posted them there. And you will hear Pastor Dick and I answering those questions. And in addition, you can use a number of resources that we mentioned, and many of them are free. Right at the top right part of our homepage it will say “free library.” Click on that, and there are just scores and scores of books and things you can download on a broad spectrum of subjects.

Pastor Dick: Also for a gift of any amount we will send you an “Amazing Facts” book that has just been published and has the “Amazing Facts.” The first five or six years or so of the amazing facts that we have used in the beginning of each program.

Pastor Doug: We collected these, and they are great for preachers, and teachers, and for anyone who just enjoys it. We have seen anyone from ten years old up to one hundred just sitting there reading through the book. And standby we are going to take a break to give Station ID time for our affiliates, and we will be back.


Pastor Doug: Welcome back to our listening friends. If you have just tuned in, you have found your way to “Bible Answers Live.” This is a live, interactive Bible study going across the ocean, across the country, and around the world via the internet. If you would like to participate you can dial North America, and I think Canada 1-800-GOD-SAYS or 1-800-463-7297. My name is Doug Batchelor.

Pastor Dick: My name is Dick Debit. And we want to go directly to the phones Pastor Doug. Our first caller from this part of the program is from Paradise, California. Alida is a first time caller, welcome Alida. Did I pronounce your name right?

Alida: No, it is Alida.

Pastor Dick: Okay, well we are glad you are with us. Your question please?

Alida: Thank you. My question is… is true that some people are born homosexual? I have heard many different theories about that.

Pastor Doug: Well is it true that people are born homosexuals? That would be implying that it is a genetic defect. And it makes it pretty easy for people to point the finger at God and say; I don’t need to make any effort to control myself, or change because I was born this way. And that’s one reason why it has been such a strong pressure for people to accept this. And there was a doctor that released something in a study that said it was something in the genes. And of course that doctor was gay, and he had an incredible bias to prove this. But, there really has been no valid documentation of that. The consensus is that it is an environmental and learned behavior. Now there is one thing that a person is born with, that will make them more prone if the environmental things are different. There are four temperaments you have probably heard of people who are more melancholy, sanguine, choleric, and phlegmatic. People are made up of different temperaments, and that is pretty well established. Those who have a melancholy temperament they are your creative people. They can be more susceptible to changes in the family, where there is an absent father or mother figure. And it may lend to their being gay; as a lesbian or homosexual. And so no one is born gay, but a person may be born with a make-up, that may make them more susceptible to having certain weaknesses in the family. The strongest evidence is that in the cases for men; if there is a very passive, absent or missing father they will at a certain time in their young life identify with the mother. Sometimes a very dominant woman figure, and sometimes boys surrounded by his sisters may have that tendency. There are of course Scriptures in the Bible that says that this is not appropriate. Romans 1:27, Leviticus 18, Leviticus 20. But you're not really asking that question are you? Alida: No. I want to know what the Bible says about it. Is there anywhere else where they tell about it?

Pastor Doug: Yeah, now your phone is breaking up, and I don’t know if you are on a cell phone?

Alida: Yes.

Pastor Doug: Can I make a suggestion? We will send you a free book. And we don’t offer this very often, but it is specifically on what the Bible says about the issue of homosexuality.

Alida: Oh wow thanks.

Pastor Doug: And it’s called; you have to call our resource number and the book is called “Return to Sodom.” It is called “Return to Sodom” by Gary Gibbs, and we will give it to you, and it is a good study on the subject. And hopefully it will be helpful.

Alida: Umm-huh. Okay and thank you very much.

Pastor Doug: Yeah.

Pastor Dick: Alida do you have a pencil?

Alida: Yes, I do.

Pastor Dick: Okay, write this number down 1-800-835-6747. And call that number right now and ask for “Return to Sodom,” and we’ll send it to you.

Alida: Alright, and thank you so much. Okay, bye-bye.

Pastor Dick: Alida thanks for the call.

Pastor Doug: You know there are Scriptures there in 1st Corinthians 6:9, and it is very clear and it says, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,” (KJV) and then it goes on and identifies other things, will inherit the kingdom of God, and it is very plain. And yet, a lot of people have tried to steer around that in a variety of ways.

Pastor Dick: Right. Alright, let’s go to New York City, and Marla is listening on WMCA. Hello Marla, do you have a question for Pastor Doug?

Marla: Yes, my question is Isaiah 55:3 what is the covenant? I don’t understand it.

Pastor Doug: Okay. Let me go there real quick; Isaiah 55:3 its says “He is rejected of men and--

Marla: 55:3?

Pastor Doug: Oh, I am sorry I had Isaiah 53:3, let me try that again. There we go Isaiah 55:3 “Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.” (KJV) And you want to know what covenant is this?

Marla: Yes, what covenant?

Pastor Doug: Well, you know God made a covenant with David; that he would reign, and the covenant of David is usually a symbol that is used for the covenant that Christ makes with us, because Jesus is the son of David. You know many times in the gospels, it referred to Christ as the son of David.

Marla: Yes.

Pastor Doug: For instance, in Mark Chapter 10 Bartimaeus said “Have mercy on me, son of David.” (KJV) The Jews looked upon the son of David as the Messiah. And so the covenant that God made with David is that through his descendants the Messiah would come. In the same way He did with Abraham, and so this is the covenant; the covenant of the Savior the sure mercies of David. Okay?

Marla: Alright and thanks a lot. Okay, bye-bye.

Pastor Doug: Okay, God bless.

Pastor Dick: Marla God bless. And to--

Pastor Doug: You know, sometimes I have a P.S. on a question. I read the next verse which even makes it clearer. And this is for the former caller. “Behold, I have given for a witness to the people, a leader, and a commander of the people.” And other Messianic passages telling us about Jesus.

Pastor Dick: Bob is listening on WMCA-

Bob: Yes, Pastors thank you for taking my call.

Pastor Dick: Yes, sir, Bob.

Bob: Yeah the Lord led me to the show, and thanks to God for your show. It is very interesting.

Pastor Doug: Praise the Lord.

Bob: I am a Jewish believer for over twenty years in the Lord, and I was interested in the return of the Lord. I know that nobody knows the time or the hour. But, the Lord has led me to the understanding that, when my people come back to Israel, then a generation shall go by, and He Messiah will return. People are of the mistaken feeling that it was in 1948 when they came, but my understanding from my studies is it was when they went to Jerusalem in 1976. So then a generation shall pass, and then the Messiah shall come. What do you think about that?

Pastor Doug: Well, you know what I have noticed Bob, is I think we need to be careful, obviously of this, because you said you already know we don’t know the day or the hour.

Bob: Absolutely.

Pastor Doug: I have seen the date that it is clear in the Bible that a generation is 40 years, because Jesus says in Matthew 24, that this generation will not pass away. When Christ said that He was not only talking about His coming; He was also talking about the destruction of the temple.

Bob: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: Jesus made this prophecy in 30 A.D., and 40 years later in 70 A.D. the temple was destroyed. Now others have tried to apply that same generation to the second part of the prophecy; you know about the people of Israel coming back to their Promised Land, or some historical event connected with Israel, and the Jewish people; and count 40 years and that would be the second coming. I think we need to be careful of that. There is a book we will send you, and I think you would really enjoy this; being a Jew. It’s called “Spiritual Israel” have you read that before?

Bob: No, not that I remember.

Pastor Doug: Well, tonight its half price, and that would be nothing for you.

Bob: Okay.

Pastor Doug: So if you call the number Pastor Dick is going to give you; ask for “Spiritual Israel” and it talks about some of these times that we are discussing very specifically. And it will give you a lot more than I can give you in three minutes on the phone.

Bob: But according to your teaching… I don’t want to keep you, but, I mean we are in the last times now.

Pastor Doug: Absolutely, yes, we are.

Bob: It tells us in Daniel that the final week in Daniel is right now.

Pastor Doug: Yeah. It is true that if you were to count forward 40 years from 1976 it would lead to-

Bob: 2016 yeah, but we should look for Jesus every day.

Pastor Doug: Yes, absolutely. That is right He could come any day.

Bob: Like you said a thief in the night, and a thief in the night you never know when He might come.

Pastor Doug: That’s right.

Bob: Alright. Thank you.

Pastor Doug: Oh request that book “Spiritual Israel”. We’ll send it to you Bob.

Bob: Well, give me the number please.

Pastor Dick: I-800-

Bob: Yeah.

Pastor Dick: 1-800-835-6747.

Bob: Thank you very much and God bless you.

Pastor Dick: Thank you Bob, and Goodnight. San Francisco, California is next and Les is listening on KCBC, welcome Les.

Les: Good evening. I would like to say that I believe that God made a covenant with Abraham, giving him the Land of Canaan. And based on that my belief, I would like to know the relevance based on the road map that says; in 2005 a Palestinian State would be created in Israel.

Pastor Doug: That is a good question. Um, keep in mind when God gave Abraham, I was looking for a verse here in Hebrews, and I found it. When God gave Abraham the Promised Land; did he in his life ever actually inherit it? Let me read you a Scripture in Hebrews about Abraham. He looked for a city whose foundation and maker is God. Now it says that Abraham was a stranger, a pilgrim, a sojourner. The land that God gave Abraham He will ultimately inherit, when the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven on the Mount of Olives in Revelation 21.

Les: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: That New Jerusalem is so big it is going to completely encompass the land of Israel. Abraham is literally going to inhabit that city, whose builder and maker is God. It will cover the land that God promised to give him. He will literally… and all of our children of Abraham will inherit that land.

Les: Yes.

Pastor Doug: In this life; you know territory is given, and taken, and wars are fought, and Jerusalem is anything but a city of peace.

Les: I am not going to hold my breath.

Pastor Doug: So, I’m not going to hold my breath, and wait for the territory that was once given to Solomon, I’m not holding my breath and waiting for that to be restored to the Jewish people, because that territory reached all the way to the Euphrates River. Alright?

Les: Okay.

Pastor Doug: And so ultimately, that land will be re-occupied by God’s people in the new earth. The New Jerusalem will cover it, and that is why Hebrews 10 said; He looked for a city that had foundation, and He was looking beyond this life.

Les: Oh, okay.

Pastor Doug: Oh, let me see one more, and you can look in Hebrews 12: 22 “But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,” (KJV) Here we go Hebrews 13: 14 “For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.” (KJV) There you go that is the verse I wanted. So everyone who is focusing on what is happening in Israel now… I do believe that He gave the land to the people of Israel I’m Jewish; I do believe that, but I am not waiting for them to get the same territory that God promised to David and Solomon. That would reach all the way into Egypt, and all the way into Iraq, and that is really going to have to take some political changes. Alright.

Les: Yes. Thank you very much.

Pastor Doug: Alright Les God bless.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Les. To Morgantown, West Virginia, hello Nicholas, and welcome to the program. And your question for Pastor Doug tonight?

Nicholas: Hello. Okay, my question is from Isaiah 58: --

Pastor Doug: Get real close to your phone. I can barely hear you.

Nicholas: I wanted to know if sexual pleasure between a husband and wife…

Pastor Doug: Alright, let me see if I can restate that. In Isaiah 58 it is talking about not doing your own pleasure on the Sabbath. And does that include intimacy between a husband and a wife on the Sabbath day? Correct?

Nicholas: Right.

Pastor Doug: I don’t think so, but I could be wrong, and I hope the Lord will forgive me if I am, but let me tell you why. God created some things before sin, that He ordained men to enjoy that are not considered evil. God created food, and He intended for man to enjoy his food. That is why He said there is everything pleasant to their taste. God also created intimacy within a marriage, and there are times when a person may fast from their food. And Paul says in Corinthians; that a husband and wife might agree to separate and fast for a period of time, but not too long. It equates intimacy in marriage or sex with fasting from food. So then you have to ask the question are we expected to not eat on the Sabbath day because you enjoy it? Think about this now one more question. What day of the week did God make Adam and Eve?

Nicholas: Sixth day.

Pastor Doug: What day of the week would have been their honeymoon?

Nicholas: The next day.

Pastor Doug: The next day would have been their honeymoon. The Sabbath was their first day together, because at the end of the day he gets Eve. And he has already named all of the animals so it must have been the last half of the day. God presents this ravishing beautiful woman. And He says; now, tomorrow is the Sabbath don’t touch her, I think that would be hard to imagine. I think everything He made in the garden was innocent, and we sometimes think that sex is dirty and it can be, but food can be gluttonous, too. So I think that there are times when a person should fast from food, and from intimacy for a purpose, Paul talks about that. But, there’s nothing in the Bible that says sex on the Sabbath is wrong. Now, there is one other time when God wanted to talk to the children of Israel in Exodus; and He told them do not come near your wives, but He was about to give them the Ten Commandments I think. So it was a time of real setting aside, but that was not a general rule. Okay, Alright. I hope that helps.

Nicholas: Yes, it does. Thank you.

Pastor Doug: Alright.

Pastor Dick: Thanks for the call Nicholas. Well, we have another listener on WMCA Raphael listening from Brooklyn, New York. Raphael are you there? Hello.

Raphael: I am here.

Pastor Doug: Well, speak up. Your question please?

Raphael: Umm are you there?

Pastor Doug: Yes.

Raphael: My question is; I have been listening to this Pastor, and he has an open forum program. He says there is a new era of Sabbath to come. And if you look at the Italian, Greek New Testament that you would see that it is stated that at the end of the Sabbath that Mary Magdalene came to the tomb etcetera, etcetera… and that, it indicated a new era of the Sabbath.

Pastor Doug: Right. You know I have actually heard the person you are talking about making his argument on the radio.

Raphael: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: And do you mind if I am very brutally honest with you?

Raphael: Umm-hmm.

Pastor Doug: It is the most ridiculous, and dishonest interpretation of the Bible that I have ever heard. All you have to do, is look at the other three gospels to see exactly what that verse means. You can look for instance, in Luke 23:56; it says that they simply returned prepared spices and ointments; they rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment. Now on the first day of the week, early in the morning they came to the tomb. Then you can look again in Mark 16:1; when the Sabbath was passed they came to the tomb. It’s just saying in Matthew 28, that the Sabbath was over; so they came back to finish embalming Jesus’ body. He tries to build this new convoluted doctrine that, that verse really means that the old dispensation was over, and that God was creating a new dispensation and he gets very poetic, but there is no Scriptural support for it. But, if you read the verses in their context; it is a historical record they wanted to finish embalming and burying Jesus’ body, when the Sabbath was approaching, they stopped what they doing, and they rolled the stone…




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